Countryways complaint

[Ratman]

http://countryways.myfreeforum.org/Email_Harrassment_about4889.html

Reference the complaint made by Kaz regarding our forum, after much debate it was then your decision to lock the thread after conceding the only offence we had committed was a dubious post made by one member. You asked for no other action to be taken other than we try to put a stop to this inter forum bickering as it would not look attractive to potential new members. You then locked the topic and said you hoped you have heard the last of it.

I am then alerted to an add on regarding what I consider to be a threat using the words i " The clock is ticking ".??? Intimating my forum will be suspended if other actions are not taken. You did not ask for any other actions to be taken and clearly stated the offence that had been made which has been rectified.

You made it clear that the offence was the one over the top post which has since been removed and furthermore the email harrassment thread has been locked and what I consider to be, though by your own admission, not in breach of  MYFF T&C posts that could perhaps cause upset removed. So actually I have taken further actions.

http://countryways.myfreeforum.org/Email_Harrassment_about4889.html

I see no reason not to leave this thread as an announcement, and you certainly made no request for me to do otherwise prior to locking the thread.

You can see from the amount of members who have voiced comments about the admin on Over the Gate either on here or at Countryways, that it is not without good reason. I see no reason why they should be able to trawl my forum on a constant basis and since it's inception for any contencious posts, which infact I see as a very unhealthy obsession, yet I cannot ask my members through an announcement to inform me of any miss doings from the Over The Gate admin.  As you can see from reading through the posts that they have, by many others peoples submissions, pulled many strokes in the past which has reportedly even caused the demise of a forum (green wellies baler twine).

I was also intrigued by the post from Kaz when it was announced that her complaint was possibly made at a time, knowing I would not be about for a while. Her reply was that she had recieved an email from you ??
I was under the impression that all correspondence between forums was to be kept in the open ? and that PM's to admin were not allowed. Emails I would have thought even more taboo.

I know you have said in a previous complaint that you know Kaz but I do feel this is a little more than unfair that certain forum admins are able to converse with you outside of the usual procedures.

Having taken more action than you actually requested I trust this is now the end of this futile complaint and Over the Gate admin will actually want to devote more time in trying to enhance their own forum than worrying about mine.

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[admin (no pm's please)]

I think if you read the thread it is pretty implicit that I want you to stop making this feud a major part of your forum and hence it should not be an announcement.

I think your forum would be far better off if you put all of this into the background.

As for private communication I can assure you that all Kaz has ever been told by me, is that if she wants to make a complaint then do it in the T&C forum. That keeps it all above board, open for all to judge that there is fair play. We have always played it that way and always will do.

So please remove the announcement status of that thread and if there are incidents then make an complaint here. Isn't is better to at least give this a chance of blowing over? You clearly have a strong forum that would be better off without this crap in the foreground.
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[quixote]

The reason for the announcement was to prevent the subject (i.e: that of e-mail & PM harrassment by individuals) falling into anonymity. It has been shown in the past that this behaviour has been a favoured tactic of anyone wishing to deflect attention from CW & other forums, and it was deemed prudent to keep the topic in full view.

As stated, the content has been modified to remove the material that was deemed offensive as per the recent thread discussions...............if the insistence that the thread be removed in its entirety remains, does that not imply that we are no longer to be allowed the freedom of speech that our forum deems important? After all, it has been mentioned on several occasions that over-moderation & dictating thread content is a topic that CW members feel very strongly about. If we are then to be subjected to a similar level of control regarding what may & may not be discussed in full compliance with T&C on open forum then should we not just hand over control of the forum to mff admin?

As I've stated previously, CWs thread-content is is no way pre-occupied with 'feuding', but members are allowed to express their discontent & contempt for the actions of others in open forum with little interference. If the afore-mentioned 'others' choose to act in a manner resulting in the open & deeply-felt contempt of almost an entire online community then I would imagine it would be apparent that they bring it upon themselves entirely & therefore have little or no ground for complaint.

I think plenty of unnecessary noise has been made about this, & that the original complaint has been discussed & a resolution reached in the previous thread that is satisfactory to all parties. I see no need whatsoever for CW to be repeatedly expected to modify its response to this complaint.

You will understand that I personally have no wish to see this nonsense continue, but I also see an perpetuated injustice occurring in the insistance that CWs response to an agreed solution should be continually modified

[Ratman]

Ok so I will down grade it to a sticky if that pleases you. I do not want it slipping into significance as I still stand by my request of being informed if the Admin from Over the Gate try to contact my members as they have in the past.

With regards to you telling Kaz that she must make her complaint through the open forum, well I am pleased to hear that.

Do you not have to ask yourself though, why she emailed you in the first place ???

Kaz has made several complaints about forums on here in the past and is in absolutely  no doubt as to the protocool regarding the complaints procedure. Again is this not a typical example of what this has all been about. Underhand measures regarding the forums ??? She knows full well that emailing the mods is not allowed so why do it ????

I do trust in the spirit of the forums, If I have to make the effort then you will of course be making an announcement asking them to do the same ????
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[admin (no pm's please)]

There has been no "continual modification". My first post in the complaint thread said:

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[Ratman]

What on earth makes you think you are ???? That is a pretty strange statement to make ???
Heaven forbid I am not in anyway suggesting you are and please don't for one minute think that is my impression of you.
I know what a hard job you have here and can appreciate the amount of time and effort that goes into it.
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[quixote]

[Ratman]

Sorry, absolutely no offence intended, I just wanted to highlight a very relevant point.
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[kaz]

Our complaint is not about one post on a thread. We have laid our complaint out in black & white for all to see.

If you refer to the original complaint there are a number of threads which are filled with attacks on both the forum and individual forum members, these are only examples of that forums preoccupation with ourselves. These are not one-offs but are part of a long and sustained one-sided attack. We have at no time retaliated. Unfortunately the barrack room lawyers from that forum have been allowed to lie and to use innuendo in an attempt to muddy the waters of what is a perfectly clear complaint. If people read what we have put it is obvious what has been going on. The Countryways forum is manned in the main by a few people who were banned from our forum for valid reasons over 12 months ago and they have not been prepared to let go.
Since making this complaint the same offensive avatars and signatures are still present and have actually been updated. The offending threads are also still present.
The only clear message that has been sent from the support forum is that this and any other forum on the system that wishes to base itself on the hate of another forum now has carte blanche to do so.
We have at no time wanted Countryways to be closed, our only desire has always been to be left alone to run our forum as we see fit without any outside interference.
We are not hopeful about the future. We have attempted to ignore this forum for 12 months but they quite simply refuse to leave us alone - this is not a matter of 'if you don't like it, don't look', their admin is permitting lies and personal insults about our family to be posted on an open forum for all to see and we need some redress on this matter.
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[quixote]

Without wishing to pre-empt any response by MFF or CW admin, your complaint has been dealt with on a separate thread, any offences with regard to T&C identified, suggestions & guidance provided by MFF admin & a resolution achieved. This thread is merely to clarify the action requested by MFF admin and is not open for you to either raise the same issue again, or to add to the original content. In addition, your accusation that we are 'lying' is offensive and incorrect. As far as CW admin & members are concerned, the matter pertaining to your complaint of yesterday is closed.

If you indeed wish to see the matter resolved & 'run your forum as you see fit' then I suggest you either go away & do just that (as CW admin have already agreed to on their behalf), or raise a separate complaint highlighting the further issues you now see fit to raise, rather than display an obvious desire to see this particular incident continue.

You had ample opportunity to fight your corner during Saturdays debate, and chose not to.........please do not now attempt to confuse matters even further by perpetuating a matter which both CW and (assumedly) MFF admin now consider closed....................

[admin (no pm's please)]

Plainly this matter will not simply "close".

But now the matter is out in the open, and both forums should consider a warning given and a line laid in the sand.

If in a months time I get another complaint showing new posts perpetuating this squabble on CW then I will again have to consider whether the admins and members of CW are interested in running a forum or a grudge match.

In the meantime I suggest you do ignore each other.
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[quixote]

Having been given leave by CW admin to respond on his behalf I can assure you that no offensive references to OTG will be made by CW members.

Now, can we consider the matter closed?

[admin (no pm's please)]

I have not applied that warning explicitly to overthegate as I have no idea of the contents of any threads on that forum, and so I do not know for sure whether such threads exist for a warning to be justified.

But should we receive a complaint and there are such threads, then the level of hypocrisy involved would be taken into account.

I assume from:

http://countryways.myfreeforum.org/Countdown_has_Begun_about5037.html

That CW is seeking to depart myff? I won't be sorry to see this matter out of my hands, but you may find though that any hosts will have their own complaints procedures and you might find them a darn sight less open and fair than they are here.

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