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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: http://carers.myfastforum.org

Copyright theft-My picture pasted into a graphic without my permission http://carers.myfastforum.org/index.php Also the banner this person has is using another persons picture without his permission. Contravenes TOS Create a forum with no intention of building a community, simply to fill it with link spam to your own or other web sites It's set up to mock-spoof an established online support group for Carers http://ukcarers.net which is NOT hosted by Myfreeforums/myfastforums and asks people that join to have multiple user-names to join in the attacks/copyright theft, also most of the members there are the owners FAM's. Run a "hate" site. Racism, Homophobia, Religious hate, will not be tolerated. We include "self hate" in this definition. Which means for example whilst a site that believes in the legalisation of recreational drugs would be tolerated for the sake of free speech, a site that encourages anorexia which is self harm and therefore self hatred would not be allowed Constant attacks on said support group by this person that can be said to be 'hate' also pretending to publish the IP address of 2 female members of my support site which caused distress and upset for the 2 ladies mentioned. This board has contravened your TOS, I have constatnly contacted the person that owns this forum company yet this person is allowed to continue to steal graphics from people, try to intimidate individuals (mostly me but a others also) has taken part in sharing peoples personal information and passing it to other fora and you are allowing it to continue. Please sort this situation out before I have to take it to the next level, IE taking legal action against the owner and myfreeforum. Your company has a duty to run their communities in an ethical manner, in this situation it is failing and is boardering on the unlawful.

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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: http://carers.myfastforum.org

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Please sort this situation out before I have to take it to the next level, IE taking legal action against the owner and myfreeforum. Your company has a duty to run their communities in an ethical manner, in this situation it is failing and is boardering on the unlawful.

We will look at all complaints, however threats of legal action etc, will not speed up the process or force us in a corner.

Running a mock site is not running a hate site.

Do you have the proof over the copyrighted material ?

Rather than just spouting our terms and conditions which we are aware of , we need proof.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject:

I suggest people do a google for clive arnold, he has more complaints against him than you can imagine. http://www.newstatesman.com/200706280006 _________________ Family Friendly Shareware \| \| Web Design/Services \| Free Forums forum.myfreeforum.org

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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject:

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As a result, I found myself threatened and intimidated by Clive and others and booted off the UK Carers site. I even received an intimidatory personal email (which I should have taken to the police).

And then people wonder why others will make mock sites ?

Smells like bullying at its best , whats good for the goose , is not good for the gander ??
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: http://carers.myfastforum.org

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Copyright theft-My picture pasted into a graphic without my permission http://carers.myfastforum.org/index.php
Also the banner this person has is using another persons picture without his permission.

Contravenes TOS

Create a forum with no intention of building a community, simply to fill it with link spam to your own or other web sites

It's set up to mock-spoof an established online support group for Carers http://ukcarers.net which is NOT hosted by Myfreeforums/myfastforums and asks people that join to have multiple user-names to join in the attacks/copyright theft, also most of the members there are the owners FAM's.

Not breaking terms and conditions as not being used as a link farm to link to another site.

Also there is no complaint about spamming

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Run a "hate" site. Racism, Homophobia, Religious hate, will not be tolerated. We include "self hate" in this definition. Which means for example whilst a site that believes in the legalisation of recreational drugs would be tolerated for the sake of free speech, a site that encourages anorexia which is self harm and therefore self hatred would not be allowed

Constant attacks on said support group by this person that can be said to be 'hate' also pretending to publish the IP address of 2 female members of my support site which caused distress and upset for the 2 ladies mentioned.

Not a hate site, more a poke the fun site, mock = fun not hate, there are no hate filled posts on there that i see.

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This board has contravened your TOS, I have constantly contacted the person that owns this forum company yet this person is allowed to continue to steal graphics from people, try to intimidate individuals (mostly me but a others also) has taken part in sharing peoples personal information and passing it to other fora and you are allowing it to continue.

Please sort this situation out before I have to take it to the next level, IE taking legal action against the owner and myfreeforum. Your company has a duty to run their communities in an ethical manner, in this situation it is failing and is bordering on the unlawful.

So it does not contravene any of the terms and conditions as far as i can see.

As for the issue of the copyright photo, it is up to you to contact the forum admin and discuss the removal of it.

Then you may come back here with the proof it was yours in the first place.

As for pretending to post some ones ip i quote this post

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Actually Clive your words were:-

'stressedcarer, with the right software I can find out what browser you are using, your IP, what operating system, probably the town you live in (if I really tried and put my mind to it) your email address and real name was probably used when you signed up, still think this is about scoring points? Anyone here want me to pass this information around to other websites? '

So it seems as if someone was threatening to do this to someone, and then that person has threaten to do it back.
This is not breaking the terms and conditions, its just childish tit for tat.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject:

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As a result, I found myself threatened and intimidated by Clive and others and booted off the UK Carers site. I even received an intimidatory personal email (which I should have taken to the police).

And then people wonder why others will make mock sites ?

Smells like bullying at its best , whats good for the goose , is not good for the gander ??

Posted by a person that is being investigated for identity theft and a continued campaign to drive my support group offline. Please research the person that made this remark instead of doing a simple Google. No personal emails were sent and is made by a person who has mental health problems

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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject:

clivegsd wrote:

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As a result, I found myself threatened and intimidated by Clive and others and booted off the UK Carers site. I even received an intimidatory personal email (which I should have taken to the police).

And then people wonder why others will make mock sites ?

Smells like bullying at its best , whats good for the goose , is not good for the gander ??

Only have your word for that ?

And unless you have backup for your post here , it would i suggest be libel .
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: http://carers.myfastforum.org

Symon wrote:

clivegsd wrote:

Not breaking terms and conditions as not being used as a link farm to link to another site.

Also there is no complaint about spamming

clivegsd wrote:

Not a hate site, more a poke the fun site, mock = fun not hate, there are no hate filled posts on there that i see.

clivegsd wrote:

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So it seems as if someone was threatening to do this to someone, and then that person has threaten to do it back.
This is not breaking the terms and conditions, its just childish tit for tat.

Images lifted without owners permission are copyright theft. The owner has been told to stop doing this and continues.

Your TOS is being contravened.

As this situation is not being addressed please email or PM me your legal teams contact email address, it would save me contacting the owner of myfastforums again (I'm sure he is as fed up of me emailing him as I am) and also save me the hassle of finding it myself, though I will if I have to.

Many thanks

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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject:

I have told you what to do about the images. 1. Show us the proof you have the copyrights to said image 2. stop trying to bully your way around here it doesn't wash . 3. if you can not follow point 1 please stop wasting our time. _________________ http://www.saynoto0870.com/ XXVIII/ I/ MCMLXXI

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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject:

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The owner has been told to stop doing this and continues.

If Arnold can prove that any of the images used in a complex composite and fragmented mosaic actually are in breach of copyright (as opposed to the endlessly repeated major and flagrant copyright infringements by Clive Arnold himself, then in that case, to quote Mr Arnold himself:

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Copyright, sorry, try looking at the 'fair use rule' It allows material to be used on other places for use of commenting on if it affects you, please research matters before making inane or obtuse comments.

source: http://www.newstatesman.com/200706280006

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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject:

I,m sure Mr Arnold is fully aware of this. I have felt it has been a case of if i shout long and hard enough , they will do as i say. In this case it is clearly not against out TOS and therefore i would be surprised if any action will be taken. As stated before if its good for the goose then it is good for the gander as well. This matter is closed , until prove of a legal infringement has occurred. And as said before bully boy tactics and threatening legal actions etc will not force us into a corner. _________________ http://www.saynoto0870.com/ XXVIII/ I/ MCMLXXI

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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: Hatred and TOS by carersok.myfastforum.org

Rather than follow the correct procedure, Arnold has now taken matters into a new and unpleasant form of cyberbullying:
Yesterday he emailed my wife (whom he doesn't know and has no argument with) to threaten legal action against me.
Now he has also opened his own "spoof" forum here, but this one appears to have one purpose only and that is to express hatred and stalk me online.

This was his email :

Code:

subject: Your Husband

message: Hello Liz.
(..... waffle removed...)

His allegations are now causing me to consider taking legal action against him as it's bad enough he has been helping sending porn magazines to my home and signing me to swingers web sites.
Just thought you should know.

Email: clivegsd@gmail.com

By the way, I emphatically deny his allegations: they are completely untrue, and he is either making this up or blaming me for something someone else has done. Arnold has managed to make many enemies, my own weapon of defence from his attacks has always been comedy and ridicule.

His new "forum" www.carersok.myfastforum.org carries the following post:

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: You Either Get The Joke Or You Don't

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Code:

Arc Hay

Joined: 22 Apr 2008
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Poor drunken old fat ***** admin/Return 2 Sender/ masturbater...
(..... waffle removed...)

Or emailing their wives to let them know what a toss pot they are, I take it the email arrived? Did she realize you were/are trying to screw up a petition then diddums?
Shame this ineeerlktual also doesn't realize that more than one person thinks that they are a tosser

I take strong exception to this and request that his site be closed under the house rules. I don't mind being at the receiving end of some genuine knockabout comedy or satire on a man-to-man basis, but I don't think Mr Arnold's own wife would think that was particularly funny. It isn't, it is bullying and intimidation.

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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject:

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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Thanks - that was quick!

Many thanks. Clive Arnold has lost three forums already this year through this kind of behaviour, and his fan-base is shrinking fast. Hopefully he will try to be more considerate in future and think before pressing the send button. He is getting a bit of a reputation as a serial troll, and that will not help his stated cause of trying to promote carers rights one bit.

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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject:

What you say may be true, but it is beyond our remit to debate. There seems to be enough areas on the net where this dispute is carried on, and this support forum is not going to become another such place. I can only pity carers in the UK caught up in such unpleasantness. I am locking this thread now, as clear instructions have been given on what constitutes an actionable complaint, and they have been ignored. _________________ Family Friendly Shareware \| \| Web Design/Services \| Free Forums forum.myfreeforum.org