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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/index.php Reply with quote

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I'm sorry to mail you directly but I can't find anywhere else to post complaints about abuse etc at a forum that has been set up tonight

http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/index.php

90% of the stuff on this forum is libellous, full of hatred and aimed directly at me and my family. A previous forum the founder was a member of ha been closed down for similar reasons - for details please contact mamod@btinternet.com for confirmation

This forum obviously contravenes your tems and condiotions so please could you either remove all references to me and or my family or alternatively remove the forum from your server.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would help us and your case if you posted direct links to the libel stuff, after a quick look at the forum i see that you have been banned from it so you cant ask them to remove it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It would help us and your case if you posted direct links to the libel stuff, after a quick look at the forum i see that you have been banned from it so you cant ask them to remove it.


I never joined - the forum has only been opened today. I made a few posts as a guest and was banned for whatever reason.

Is it ok then to open a forum purely to post deflammatory stuff about someone as long as you ban them first?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andy@ak3dgfx.com wrote:
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It would help us and your case if you posted direct links to the libel stuff, after a quick look at the forum i see that you have been banned from it so you cant ask them to remove it.


I never joined - the forum has only been opened today. I made a few posts as a guest and was banned for whatever reason.

Is it ok then to open a forum purely to post deflammatory stuff about someone as long as you ban them first?

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No not at all please dont get me wrong what i have asked is for you to post direct links to your complaints this will speed up any action that maybe needed
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for misunderstanding the protocol, I assumed there was some method of making private complaints regarding matters which may be sensitive.

however, here are a selection of links

http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/ftopic21.php - the entire basis of this thread is untrue as the IP numbers they have found prove yet the thread is still open

http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/ftopic12.php - same again - see above

http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/ftopic23.php - guess this is related as well

http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/ftopic11.php - more lies based on the same story

http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/ftopic14.php - more crap

http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/ftopic13.php - more rubbish based on lies

http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/ftopic13-0-asc-10.php - more crap and at least one of the posts on this page contravenes your T&C

http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/ftopic20.php - and here

is this an acceptable way of using your forums?



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From what I see, they don't like you (for whatever reason) and simply wish you to leave them be. I read every post on every link you gave, and didn't see anything untoward, just discussion about how to ban an unwanted member.

It is not nice to be unwanted, I grant you that...but that doesn't negate what I see as normal forum chatter.

Bear in mind, I am just a user of these forums the same as you and am in no way connected to the administration of myfreeforums, I am just voicing an opinion
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I don't care about being unliked by 12 year olds

What I care about is that the stuff they are posting is untrue - isn't that called libel?

It's not just the people running the forums it's down to the hosts as well

interesting precedent set here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/695596.stm

All I have asked is that the admin remove posts about me which are untrue and to make sure this forum is run within the terms and conditions they set. I don't want to join but I don't want to be the subject of a ridiculous "hate campaign" orchestrated by a schoolboy either.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I can see and it does not help being deluged with links any more than no links being given, as I can't read all of a forum! it is a dispute where we cannot be judeges of what is right and wrong.

You can either:

1) Ignore it, it will fizzle out.
2) Post something clear cut that can be acted on.
3) Consider legal action against them, which is incalcuably expensive.

The best action is 1. Then they will either die out, or start running a sensible forum.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They refer to someone called 'Andy' (common name), at a given IP address. You say that IP address isn't yours? If not, then I don't see the issue, it isn't even about you.

If it is your IP then what they are saying is the truth.

Interesting case, I look forward to seeing how this develops
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You said you couldn't act without links so I sent them to you

now it seems I have sent you too many links

Please could you explain your complaints process in order that I can actually get you to do something about libellous material you are publishing

Bravo, they actually say that I made a post I obviously didn't using Andy K not just Andy - that's libel as are several of the otehr comments aimed directly at me.

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wE have explained it. A clear actionable complaint is needed.
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admin wrote:
wE have explained it. A clear actionable complaint is needed.


ok then

http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/ftopic9-10.php

the post by Sandman on the above thread is totally untrue

"This individual privately e mailed a few members and bet that he would close the forums within a few days"

no I didn't

"We were well aware of the campaign against us and were in the process of setting up a self regulatory body"

no they weren't as it wasn't their forum and they had no authority to do this.

As this post is a complete fabrication please could you ensure it is removed

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http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/ftopic4-0-asc-40.php

or this one by Newell's mamods

" have talked to mamods and he did not know that it was closed,his brother will be in on monday and hes the one we need to talk to, and i will

andy has phoned them before quoteing helth and safety at them and they sugested that a mamod may be a little hard for him to understand"

This is a complete lie as well - please remove

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You saying something is a lie does not make us know it is a lie.

This is between you and them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

admin wrote:
You saying something is a lie does not make us know it is a lie.

This is between you and them.


hmmmm - not when you are the publisher - you have a responsibility to ensure that stuff on your servers is not libellous.

Are you telling me that I could start a site up on your servers saying just what i like about anyone, make unfounded allegations and because it's my word against theirs (even though I ban them in order to deny the right of reply) that is perfectly alright?

Please clarify this as it is how things appear at the moment.

I thought it was a reasonable request as the stories they are posting are getting more and more far fetched

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