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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No they can't. They can contact the upstream provider and/or the individuals and request it be removed, if it isn't removed then they can take action. For example, if I upload a copy of Harry potter, the film, to rapidshare and then Warner 'find' it, as long as rapidshare remove it when they're asked to, no action can be taken. If it were any other way, I could upload copyright material to your forum and have you arrested.


I said I could be wrong, I never claimed to be a lawyer or know the ins and outs of the laws regarding copyright infringement, did I?


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You're a moron, do you know the definition of a paedophile? A paedophile is an ADULT who is attracted to CHILDREN. If a 16 year old boy is attracted to a 13 year old girl, that's not paedophilia. Secondly, I'm sure there are a variety of members here who have had relationships where the gap has been over 3 years, you're trying to justify your shit reasoning. I'm not trying to say what adam did was right, I don't know what happened, but he is not a paedophile.


Yes, I do actually. Attraction is one thing, asking a girl 3 or more years your junior to strip on webcam is a different matter. There may be, but if the girl is 16 or over the age gap, as long as it is not excessive, is not as much of a big deal. Paedophile or not, Adam also obtained another girl's (aged 14) phone number and address by lies and deception. Whether you can technically define him as a 'paedophile' is irrelavent. A member like that is a danger to a forum and it's users. All you are doing is splitting hairs.

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It is not the responsibilty of the administrators to protect their users, it's the responsibilty of the user themselves, if I give out my address here and get raped, who's fault is it? Oh yes, the "admin" because he didn't stop me! What twisted logic, once again changing it to suit your silly way of thinking.


Did I ever say it was the sole responsibility of the Admin to protect its users? No. All I said was that they have a certain duty of care in this regard. You are just exaggerating everything I have made for some pointless reason.


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You do know that paedophilia based tendencies are not chosen, they're mental, the same way you don't choose to be gay or straight, it's just another sexuality/fetish. It can also be 'cured' as such, it could even have been a mistake on Adams part. I'm sure there's a time when you've seen a girl and thought "wow, she's hot" not realising her age, if you later found out she was 13, does that make you a paedophile who deserves to die? According to you, it would.


Thanks for your interesting insight into the mind of a paedophile, it is really beneficial to this thread.   Firstly, I can genuinely say I have never done that. Secondly, you are just exaggerating what I said again. Seeing a girl of 13 or whatever and thinking she is hot is one thing, acting on it and acting innapropriately towards her is another.

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Seriously, grow up.


I could say the same to you. You post seems to have no relevence to the thread what-so-ever and its sole purpose appears to be to have a 'dig' at me for incorrectly using the term 'paedophile'.

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In fact, I just went back over your post and my god, you don't seem to grasp basic concepts. DISCUSSION OF SOMETHING ILLEGAL IS NOT ILLEGAL AND/OR COMMITING THE ACT. Murder. I just mentioned murder, should I be arrested?


Under the 'No you can't' section of MFF's T&Cs it says "Promote warez. Post links to copyright material on file sharing or other services that are not regarded as reputable public operations that take full responsibility for material on their servers."

As far as I can see the illegal subject matter is being promoted with guides and such. Yet again, all you have done is take what I said out of context completely and exaggerate it pointlessly.



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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query wrote:
No they can't. They can contact the upstream provider and/or the individuals and request it be removed, if it isn't removed then they can take action. For example, if I upload a copy of Harry potter, the film, to rapidshare and then Warner 'find' it, as long as rapidshare remove it when they're asked to, no action can be taken. If it were any other way, I could upload copyright material to your forum and have you arrested.


I said I could be wrong, I never claimed to be a lawyer or know the ins and outs of the laws regarding copyright infringement, did I?


query wrote:
You're a moron, do you know the definition of a paedophile? A paedophile is an ADULT who is attracted to CHILDREN. If a 16 year old boy is attracted to a 13 year old girl, that's not paedophilia. Secondly, I'm sure there are a variety of members here who have had relationships where the gap has been over 3 years, you're trying to justify your shit reasoning. I'm not trying to say what adam did was right, I don't know what happened, but he is not a paedophile.


Yes, I do actually. Attraction is one thing, asking a girl 3 or more years your junior to strip on webcam is a different matter. There may be, but if the girl is 16 or over the age gap, as long as it is not excessive, is not as much of a big deal. Paedophile or not, Adam also obtained another girl's (aged 14) phone number and address by lies and deception. Whether you can technically define him as a 'paedophile' is irrelavent. A member like that is a danger to a forum and it's users. All you are doing is splitting hairs.

query wrote:
It is not the responsibilty of the administrators to protect their users, it's the responsibilty of the user themselves, if I give out my address here and get raped, who's fault is it? Oh yes, the "admin" because he didn't stop me! What twisted logic, once again changing it to suit your silly way of thinking.


Did I ever say it was the sole responsibility of the Admin to protect its users? No. All I said was that they have a certain duty of care in this regard. You are just exaggerating everything I have said for some pointless reason.


query wrote:
You do know that paedophilia based tendencies are not chosen, they're mental, the same way you don't choose to be gay or straight, it's just another sexuality/fetish. It can also be 'cured' as such, it could even have been a mistake on Adams part. I'm sure there's a time when you've seen a girl and thought "wow, she's hot" not realising her age, if you later found out she was 13, does that make you a paedophile who deserves to die? According to you, it would.


Thanks for your interesting insight into the mind of a paedophile, it is really beneficial to this thread.   Firstly, I can genuinely say I have never done that. Secondly, you are just exaggerating what I said again. Seeing a girl of 13 or whatever and thinking she is hot is one thing, acting on it and acting innapropriately towards her is another.

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Seriously, grow up.


I could say the same to you. Your post seems to have no relevence to the thread what-so-ever and its sole purpose appears to be to have a 'dig' at me for incorrectly using the term 'paedophile'.

query wrote:
In fact, I just went back over your post and my god, you don't seem to grasp basic concepts. DISCUSSION OF SOMETHING ILLEGAL IS NOT ILLEGAL AND/OR COMMITING THE ACT. Murder. I just mentioned murder, should I be arrested?


Under the 'No you can't' section of MFF's T&Cs it says "Promote warez. Post links to copyright material on file sharing or other services that are not regarded as reputable public operations that take full responsibility for material on their servers."

As far as I can see the illegal subject matter is being promoted with guides and such. Yet again, all you have done is take what I said out of context completely and exaggerate it pointlessly.



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I bet I'll find a post of yours where you mention something illegal. God almighty.


Good luck with that one, feel free to PM me. Also, I would appreciate you not taking the Lord's name in vain.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not going to argue this endlessly.

By all accounts that we have heard, and we have invited any solid facts to the contrary, we have an illegal action against a minor, and we are not talking about technicalities here like a 16 year old boy and their 15 year old girlfriend.

So whilst it is clearly on the low end of the spectrum of offenses, it is something that if the girl concerned had reported it to the police action would have been taken and it would be classed a pedophilia.

No responsible admin can allow that on a forum, and we cannot allow that as hosts.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As far as I can see the illegal subject matter is being promoted with guides and such. Yet again, all you have done is take what I said out of context completely and exaggerate it pointlessly.


You linked to a topic discussing the ban of jailbreaking... how is that promoting it? You made a topic about paedophiles, so you're promoting child porn?

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Good luck with that one, feel free to PM me. Also, I would appreciate you not taking the Lord's name in vain.


Oh what a surprise, you're a bloody Christian.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am going to lock this. All that needs to be said has been said.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once more if I used too many syllables last time    



You CANNOT let someone that all the evidence suggests is a predatory pedophile (regardless of degree) on a forum frequented by minors.

This is not rocket science.



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