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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: therallyforum.myfastforum.org Reply with quote

I would like to raise a complaint regarding the above forum as it would appear that both my husband and myself along with Dunfermline Car Club Ltd (DCC) and the Scottish Tarmack Rally Championship (STRC) are constantly mentioned with defamitory comments by several of it's members. I can confirm the one of the posters, the instigator of all said posts "Corsa" real name David Hatrick is already subject to legal action regarding similar comments on another forum, that said other forum is also subject to the same litigation by our club. Mr Hatrick has a personal grudge as his club membership was revoked in 2006 and he was excluded from the championship at the same time for bring our sport into disrepute on other forums, he and a couple of others that post on this forum have also been barred from our own forum for the same and attacking other members.

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I was of the belief that forums were "information highways" for companies, clubs etc in order that they can promote themselves and keep others informed as to what was new, going on etc and not to "slag off" other forums, clubs and to personally abuse others simply because one or more individuals have a personal grudge to bear.

I am sure that this matter can be dealt with promptly and professionally as I have now downloaded the aforementioned defamitory threads as we are now going to be raising a personal legal action on the top of the one already under way.

I await your reply with interest.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you are reporting a forum, then we assume you have evidence to support the report, in the form of links, names, ip addresses etc.

You *MUST* post the evidence, we cannot act on being told a forum is in breach of the conditions without links to where and why.

Keep it clear and keep it simple. At least one report of a claimed violation ended up falling on death ears, when no one could clearly decypher from pages of rambling just what the issue was and where the blame was  



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will have to provide links to threads that are an issue.

If we consider them to be malign then we may suspend the forum.

If they are simply a matter of a dispute between you and the forum owners, then it is a matter for you to dispute with the forum owners.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did have a quick look at the forum, I found this thread which does seem to contradict the information given in the first post:

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I can confirm that this forum was set up as Driveshaft states to provide an alternative,unbiased view on all aspects of Rallying with minimal moderating.
In no way was it set up to attack any individuals as that would not be worth the time and wasted effort.


If there are the 'slagging off' threads, please provide links so that it may be looked at properly.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are three threads;

http://therallyforum.myfastforum.org/STRC_AGM_3_2_08_about102.html

http://therallyforum.myfastforum....y_Championship_2008_about120.html

http://therallyforum.myfastforum....vel_change_required__about66.html

and here is another thread from when I contacted the forum moderator to ask that offending threads be removed. We as a club/championship and personally have no problems with factual posts but none of these thread are in fact factual, hence the legal action.

http://therallyforum.myfastforum.org/Accurate_Posting_about39.html

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is nothing there we can act on.

People are raising in a fairly reasonable fashion what they say are legitimate grievances. You say they are not.

We obviously have no idea, hence it is up to you to deal with them.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you think that defamitory comments and accusation of stealing etc is ok to put on public forums?

I am dissapointed but will now continue to go down the legal route.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is only a problem if it is false, and that is between you and them.

Where would we be if peoples freedom to expose things could be squashed in this casual way?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no problem with freedom of speech if the speech is in fact factual but all that is on that forum are personal attacks of defamitory comments, accusation that no-one comes forward with except for on these forums and inuendo's that sadly are taken on board by those that know no better.

Freedom of speech is one thing, factual reporting is another but then I shouldn't have expected any less. I wonder why they chose to host their forum here?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AML wrote:
and inuendo's that sadly are taken on board by those that know no better.


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but then I shouldn't have expected any less. I wonder why they chose to host their forum here?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might also be noted here that several long threads may have been linked to, but the complainant has not actually given anything specific at all. Where are the specifics, and where is it said what action has been taken?

Where also is the recognition that we cannot judge the truth of what is being said?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are saying that you are NOT prepared to do anything, wher can I find the information on who owns the site?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the threads shown, I would say this is a very well and fairly run forum.  An example would be:

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EDITED BY ADMIN,PLEASE ONLY STATE FACTS THAT YOU ARE 100% SURE OF



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GMC i am not a spoilsport as you may well have got the idea by now i like the forum to self moderate, it`s just i like to see the fact and NOT speculation


Looks very fair indeed.

As to other posts, such as stating that waitresses etc were brought in to make up the numbers...how on Earth could MFF determine the truth of that?  Not possible.  So, there is nothing at all in the threads posted that breaks any MFF T&C.

MFF has been, and will be, totally fair in any dispute and will look at every case from all sides, feel free to read past complaints, they are here for all to see.  So if you can point to something more sinister, it will be dealt with appropriately.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you are saying that you are NOT prepared to do anything, wher can I find the information on who owns the site?


Please do not try and distort the truth here, is it not precisely that , which you are complaining  about ?

Admin has said all along that we require you to give us the proof to uphold your complaint.

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   If we consider them to be malign then we may suspend the forum.

   If they are simply a matter of a dispute between you and the forum owners, then it is a matter for you to dispute with the forum owners.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will email the site owner the link to the thread, and request they PM me contact details.

Forum owners cannot hide behind anonymity, they are legally responsible for what they allow to be posted.

They can however refuse to have details passed to you in which case I would pass on details only in the event of a letter from a solicitor.
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