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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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I dont know if this is just a typo or maybe you've put an extra > in one of the tags.
Probably not a big deal but in the description on your picture it says PMs>
I dont think the > should be there

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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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More concerned about functionality than punctuation at this stage in the development!
PM nobbling and post moderation/approval seems to be working.
User activation/registration is coded but untested.
Moderators taking people off moderation status is not done yet, and I was wondering if anyone had any feedback in that area.
It is a bit of a leap for us giving mods actions on user privileges, but it seems quite pertinent to the smooth introduction of new users who are on moderation status, it would be a lot of work for an admin to have to unmoderate them all.
I was toying with extra complexity. e.g.
1) People on new member moderation status. Allowed to be unmoderated by mods.
2) People set to moderated by admin, not allowed to be unmoderated by mods.
But to me this is going down the phpbb3 route of options that are so much bad, as they are over complex.
to me a MOD (and it will be logged) that unmoderates an existing member who has been set to moderated status, is exposing themselves as a problem, MODs should be trustwhorthy enough not to do that. _________________
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | | to me a MOD (and it will be logged) that unmoderates an existing member who has been set to moderated status, is exposing themselves as a problem, MODs should be trustwhorthy enough not to do that. |
Or maybe they are trusing enough so that if they do unmod a user then maybe its because the person who was moderated has improved a lot and the mod has made the right decision (just they made the decision before the admin) _________________

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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not seeing anything like this in my phpbb3 forum.
Question- Do you program all this yourself admin? Or does the mysterious 'ford' help? _________________

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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Ford is not really on the forums side of things unless it is an emergency, so the programming is basically me.
Good to know we are ahead of the game here, I will also introduce "moderated" forums soon.
What with the web2.0 features also sneaking in here and there, I think we are actually massively ahead of phpbb3 to all sensible purposes  _________________
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: |
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Well I think that's it for the night, At least with Admin activation set, a new member will be set on moderation when joining, assuming that is what is set up in the portal. Other forms of activation should also be working, but need testing.
It is going faster than I thought it might
Still need to put in the blocks on posting which will act as a lesser form of ban. _________________
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | Good to know we are ahead of the game here, I will also introduce "moderated" forums soon.
What with the web2.0 features also sneaking in here and there, I think we are actually massively ahead of phpbb3 to all sensible purposes  |
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just goes to show how good you guys are! myff is seriously way better than any other forum creation site out there, and you guys just continue to prove that. _________________ You spend the last 15 years of your life gaming only to realize all you've done is spend 15 years lvling in one game or another. And the obvious question is... why?
To do things you can't do anywhere else or any other way.
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Yup you are right, this is the best free forum hosts available.
I remember when i first started suffing the net i joined a games forum not sure if it was runby a free host or what ever, infact i can't even remember what software it was ie, Phpbb, IPB etc but i no it wasn't VB.
Anyway when i registered i found i could not make a new thread ontill i had made so many posts hich had to be approved by a mod or admin first, i think it was 5 posts before i was given the privlages to make new threads, just woundering if this was possible for us.
If i remember correctly the message i got when trying to make a new thread was something like, you have not madeenough posts to quailify for the privlages nededed to make new threads, so i as't on any kind of moderation or anything and all my posts was approved and i started posting new threads.
Com to think of it they had a rule that stated any threads that had not had any new replies poste in for a week or more was out of bounds and any new posts was removed or the thread was locked.
Can't remember the address but it was a good little forum, with good staffing, never come across a forum using that feture of having to make so many posts before been able to ceate new threads but like i said it was very interesting.
As for the new features that you have been ading Admin, i lie them and will come in very useful for many of us, just means that Admins will have to be even more careful when offering moderating abilities to people they don't no. In less you make it so that those featurs are only for supper mods which would mean 3 classes of powers ie, Admins, Super Mods and Mods, mods having the basic of abailities and super mods having the new abilities.
This way we can test our mods out and see if they are really trustworthy as i'm sure some if not all of us have had a mod who's powers have gone to his/her/there head(s). _________________ http://flightsimforum.myfanforum.org/index.php
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:01 am Post subject: |
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This hack came out of some ideas bounced around between me and Bravo, he was on about the "timed" release of features, I was on about "moderation", both ideas are valid, but I feel separate.
I was planning on doing both, but this one first
I am not sure on the "so many posts before you can make a new thread" though People often join a forum with a question, and that rule forces them to want to abuse the system before they start. _________________
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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going deeper on what Roy said, maybe instead of having supermod/mod, have a dropdown box that has the name of anyone you made a mod and you can then allow that person the moderation powers,er maybe by rank, or group, er something like that. making it more individual _________________ You spend the last 15 years of your life gaming only to realize all you've done is spend 15 years lvling in one game or another. And the obvious question is... why?
To do things you can't do anywhere else or any other way.
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| K wrote: | | going deeper on what Roy said, maybe instead of having supermod/mod, have a dropdown box that has the name of anyone you made a mod and you can then allow that person the moderation powers,er maybe by rank, or group, er something like that. making it more individual |
I work with Joomla which has more graduations of power for members than you can shake a stick at It may sound good, but in practice a complex power structure is incredibly confusing
User/Mod/Admin is nice and simple and effective for 99% of uses.
The extra tweaks we are adding that restrict certain users will fill out the other end of the power scale nicely.
It will leave us with:
Banned user
Banned user still able to read PMs.
Banned user able to reply to threads - possibly useful to give a user a public appeals process.
Moderated user
Moderator
Admin
That really is enough levels! _________________
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Cool, new stuff. Thanks Admin. 
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Well technically it is all written now and quite a few of the combinations of retrieving passwords, activating users etc have been tested successfully
I think I will carry on testing bits and bobs until Friday and install Saturday. _________________
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | Well technically it is all written now and quite a few of the combinations of retrieving passwords, activating users etc have been tested successfully
I think I will carry on testing bits and bobs until Friday and install Saturday. |
Will there be a nned for a guide on this ? if so it will not be written until Tuesday at earliest. _________________
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Whilst a lot of it should be quite self explanatory, a guide would of course be great
But there is absolutely no rush, at this stage these forums are already feature packed, and as we know forums NEED very few of the features to operate well.
So if anything people should not be encouraged to rush into new and possibly slightly bleeding edge adventures.
I am actually fairly happy that this code is pretty unlikely to do anything really horrible, but we all know new code may mean new bugs. _________________
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