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David

SEO for beginners

Here's some tips and info on SEO for the beginner:

hUH...What's a Page Ranking(PR)???
PageRank is a score given by Google to each web page (not site) on a 0-10 logarithmic scale that is used as one (amongst many others) of the parameters for building the Search Engine Results Pages (SERPs). This score is calculated using an incremental mathematical agorithm

What can I do to improve my PR?

Get more links to your site! The more links you get, from pages with PR as high as possible, and with as less on-page links as possible, the higher your PR will get You can get links to your site by submitting it to directories , exchanging links with other webmasters, or by having a quality site and promoting it a little bit so that people naturally link to you

Where can I find people to exchange links with?

To be able to exchange links, you'll need a links section Go to sites prefarably related to your topic, and introduce your site, why it is relevant to their own topic, then suggest a link exchange. You may be much more successful if you visit sites that don't have themselves a forum for their visitors to discuss. You may even offer them a dedicated area in your forum if they seem to get high traffic.

What should I not do for SEO?

Do not go to link farms,(places with PR O or 1, do not use blind link exchange services, do not use spam techniques (hidden text, cloaking pages etc.etc.).

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myff admin

Quality content counts as well. Written with an eye to the keywords involved in the subject.

If you are a forum that specialises in green widgets, then writing a sticky post at the top a forum that talks about green widgets, using the words green widgets and other keyword associated with green widgets, and the lock the post so no one can dilute the green widget content, then someone looking for green widgets with a search engine is more likely to find their green widget information on your green widget forum....


Ok you can get penalised for over egging it But I really would recommend a few high quality sticky posts.

My hugely popular forum:

http://forum.downsizer.net/

actually has 7000 topics and almost 4000 pages stashed in google! which is one hell of a proportion of the perhaps 12000+ pages of the forum. When starting out you have it tougher. A fanstatic bit on info on page 3 of a thread posted 2 months ago, probably is not going to be googled! You need to look to concentrating good content on prime pages.
Viper

So for it to get on google (for e.g.) you need lots of posts and topics
myff admin

Viper wrote:
So for it to get on google (for e.g.) you need lots of posts and topics


Not really, if you want SEO in a nut shell it's:

"links, good content, keyword optimisation"

Quantity helps, but Quality is better.
Mn'M

as far as i know my forum hasn't even shown up on google.

i only have 5 members, does that make a difference?
myff admin

Mn'M wrote:
as far as i know my forum hasn't even shown up on google.

i only have 5 members, does that make a difference?


google will not care about members.
David

I've used all of my techniques, but my PR is still very low. It does take time.
David

admin wrote:
Mn'M wrote:
as far as i know my forum hasn't even shown up on google.

i only have 5 members, does that make a difference?


google will not care about members.


Are you sure that the number of members doesn't have an effect on it's PR?
Guest

Re: SEO for beginners

David wrote:
What can I do to improve my PR?

and with as less on-page links as possible, the higher your PR will get


Where can I put links if they're not on a page?
myff admin

David wrote:
admin wrote:
Mn'M wrote:
as far as i know my forum hasn't even shown up on google.

i only have 5 members, does that make a difference?


google will not care about members.


Are you sure that the number of members doesn't have an effect on it's PR?


Not directly. If of course your members are posting links it will help.

Time is also a big big factor. You can be talking the better part of a year!
David

admin wrote:
David wrote:
admin wrote:
Mn'M wrote:
as far as i know my forum hasn't even shown up on google.

i only have 5 members, does that make a difference?


google will not care about members.


Are you sure that the number of members doesn't have an effect on it's PR?


Not directly. If of course your members are posting links it will help.

Time is also a big big factor. You can be talking the better part of a year!


You mean like links in a sig? One of my members is an administrator on th largest saxophone forum on the web(10000+ members) He has a link to that forum in his sig. Does that help my forum's PR?
myff admin

No. It is incoming links not outgoing ones you need.
David

admin wrote:
Quality content counts as well. Written with an eye to the keywords involved in the subject.

If you are a forum that specialises in green widgets, then writing a sticky post at the top a forum that talks about green widgets, using the words green widgets and other keyword associated with green widgets, and the lock the post so no one can dilute the green widget content, then someone looking for green widgets with a search engine is more likely to find their green widget information on your green widget forum....


Ok you can get penalised for over egging it But I really would recommend a few high quality sticky posts.

My hugely popular forum:

http://forum.downsizer.net/

actually has 7000 topics and almost 4000 pages stashed in google! which is one hell of a proportion of the perhaps 12000+ pages of the forum. When starting out you have it tougher. A fanstatic bit on info on page 3 of a thread posted 2 months ago, probably is not going to be googled! You need to look to concentrating good content on prime pages.


Prettu impressive forum for a year old. Can I stick a popular topic that talks about my forum's main subject? Woulkd that help? Or should I just make my own and lock it?
myff admin

David wrote:
admin wrote:
Quality content counts as well. Written with an eye to the keywords involved in the subject.

If you are a forum that specialises in green widgets, then writing a sticky post at the top a forum that talks about green widgets, using the words green widgets and other keyword associated with green widgets, and the lock the post so no one can dilute the green widget content, then someone looking for green widgets with a search engine is more likely to find their green widget information on your green widget forum....


Ok you can get penalised for over egging it But I really would recommend a few high quality sticky posts.

My hugely popular forum:

http://forum.downsizer.net/

actually has 7000 topics and almost 4000 pages stashed in google! which is one hell of a proportion of the perhaps 12000+ pages of the forum. When starting out you have it tougher. A fanstatic bit on info on page 3 of a thread posted 2 months ago, probably is not going to be googled! You need to look to concentrating good content on prime pages.


Prettu impressive forum for a year old. Can I stick a popular topic that talks about my forum's main subject? Woulkd that help? Or should I just make my own and lock it?


Sticking is good, construction and locking is better.
David

So like make a category dedicated to links, and then post links to other forums?
David

I know that it helps if other sites link to me, but does it help if I link to other sites?
myff admin

David wrote:
I know that it helps if other sites link to me, but does it help if I link to other sites?


Outgoing links on a site are reputed to help a little, as they reflect a "good site". But they are far far less important than incoming links.
david77

I got a few big sax sites to link to me. My PR hasn't increased any, though. And when I ran a link popularity scan, none of the sites linked to me showed up.
myff admin

david77 wrote:
I got a few big sax sites to link to me. My PR hasn't increased any, though. And when I ran a link popularity scan, none of the sites linked to me showed up.


Then the sites are not that big! I have little to council but patience.

Well that or if you sign up to it:

http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/ad-network/?s=14046

We will put this on forums, and it can be pretty effective. It is also free.
david77

It looks good, but I can't find where to register.
Guest

So if submit my forum to a lot of sites/ link with lots of sites, it still takes a while for it to affect my PR?
myff admin

david77 wrote:
It looks good, but I can't find where to register.


there is a create new account link on that page!
myff admin

Anonymous wrote:
So if submit my forum to a lot of sites/ link with lots of sites, it still takes a while for it to affect my PR?


google updates on some levels only once a month! so you have to have patience.
David

admin wrote:
david77 wrote:
It looks good, but I can't find where to register.


there is a create new account link on that page!
Thanks
David

admin wrote:
david77 wrote:
I got a few big sax sites to link to me. My PR hasn't increased any, though. And when I ran a link popularity scan, none of the sites linked to me showed up.


Then the sites are not that big! I have little to council but patience.

Well that or if you sign up to it:

http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/ad-network/?s=14046

We will put this on forums, and it can be pretty effective. It is also free.
What exactly does it do?
myff admin

it provides you with loads of instant links to your forum from other sites.
David

Cool! I'll register this afternoon...
myff admin

I think this is going to make sense to implement via the control panel. So by all means sign up, but some patience is going to be needed.

I think it could be Saturday week before we risk another major upgrade. This will be part of the options hacks idea.
David

Alright, I have no problem waiting.
David

Apparently all of the sites that have linked to me over the past month has definately helped. I am now on the third page of Google when you type in saxophone forum, whereas a month ago I wasn't even in the top 200!
sgts

Mine is third on page one when you search for "Royal Marines forum".
I do have several hundred links to the forum from the main site though so that must be helping. The other thing you can do is join other forums and put your link in your signature. It does encourage people to become active in your forum as every time they post, they are creating a link. I do delete posts that are obviously link hunting... but then again, I'm nasty!
myff admin

The saxophone forum now has 578 pages in google a 5 fold increase on my last check!
Sitaram

I devised a google test for my message board

I made up a word which could not possibly exist anywhere, and then posted it at my message board, and searched for it every day. I did one post in a Subject line, and a different post with the word in the body of the post. Both showed up in google after a week or so.

The word I used was anekantavadaellada Ellada is the modern Greek word for Greece. Anekantavada is a Jain religious term which means "many-pointedness" or "no one single point of view", which means that any attempt to express the truth of reality will only be a partial expression from one particular angle.

No, I am not Greek or of Greek descent, but I studied ancient Greek and learned to speak Modern Greek. No I am not from India. I am American born of mixed Dutch, German, British ancestory, but I learned much about the religions of the world through study (including many interesting ancient religions in India).

Put them together as anekantavadaellada and it has no particular meaning. It is like the story of Rumplestiltskin (spelling). He thought no one would ever be able to guess his name.

So, make up your own test word (not too obscene please), like wiggywanklerunker (i just made that up). Then, post it at your forum, and google.com search for it every day. It should show up within two weeks.

Regarding message boards and content, it seems to me that a message board should be a means to an end, and not an end in itself. We should have something which we really need to say and want to say. We should not simply have a desire for a message board, and then try to dream up things to post there, to lure and trick people into joining.

The horse should be in front of the cart. Do not put the cart in front of the horse (or donkey) lest you be percieved as "bass-akwards" (aha, I fooled the censor software).

You should make contacts on the internet who share your interest, whether it be sports, or politics, or crafts, or literature, or whatever. If you only have 10 internet friends who post and perhaps chat in a CBOX, then the existence of your message board is justified. You do not have to have hundreds of members and thousands of posts.

Just some thoughts on the topic.

Oh, and regarding chat boxes such as CBOX in the footer html enhancement at myfreeforum.org, I had the revelation yesterday, than I can insert my CBOX code in all 450 pages of my OTHER website which is 7 years old, and all pages of http://toosmallforsupernova.org where I have started to write my first novel, and folks visiting any of those pages can all meet in the chat room. Hey, why not!?
Sitaram

SEO = Search Engine Optimization

Perhaps it is wise to define acronyms at the outset for those poor newbies who are not as omniscient as we.
David

Will Google scan hiiden and private forums(e.g. usergroups, Mod and Admin forums, etc)?
myff admin

David wrote:
Will Google scan hiiden and private forums(e.g. usergroups, Mod and Admin forums, etc)?


no, hence the point about most things being guest readable!

if google could see your admin forums anyone could!
David

Good point.
symon

Google doesnt love me keeps sending their bots but i dont show up anywhere yet
myff admin

symon wrote:
Google doesnt love me keeps sending their bots but i dont show up anywhere yet


You are non existant pretty much on google.

I notice you have got a "www" link here, but do you post elsewhere with a www link and a link in your "sig"?

It is the backlinks that count.

I am keen to see the co-op adnetwork integrated into the forums to really boost this process.
symon

Yes i do on 3 other forums my own yahoo website and msn home page etc etc it,s no worries i know when i,m not loved
Cornel

It's been a little over a month I haven't gotten any members only a google person a load of british people and a person from Indonesia.
David

Cornel wrote:
It's been a little over a month I haven't gotten any members only a google person a load of british people and a person from Indonesia.


Well, have you tired any of the techniques discussed in this forum?

A quick overview:


  • Advertise your site in your signature(on other forums)
  • Get a good Google PR(submit to search engines, directories, etc)It is also critical that you get other anime-related sites to link to you.
  • Never give up-your forum may be slow at first, but it will eventually build up [list=]

    Hope this helps-

    David
    forumofthesaxes.myfreeforum.org
myff admin

Though the biggest step is from none to a few. For that you will need to twist arms
Cornel

David wrote:
Cornel wrote:
It's been a little over a month I haven't gotten any members only a google person a load of british people and a person from Indonesia.


Well, have you tired any of the techniques discussed in this forum?

A quick overview:


  • Advertise your site in your signature(on other forums)
  • Get a good Google PR(submit to search engines, directories, etc)It is also critical that you get other anime-related sites to link to you.
  • Never give up-your forum may be slow at first, but it will eventually build up [list=]

    Hope this helps-

    David
    forumofthesaxes.myfreeforum.org


So I should go to other anime forums and meet with people and encourage them to join my forum.
David

Yeah, I guess....mainly just put a link to your site in you sig., and follow the other things listed.
David

http://www.vegetarian-restaurants...e-Marketing/Linking-Web-Sites.htm

I found this to be a very useful resource on SEO.
myff admin

Copuple of points, the site makes very good points about dangerous SEO techniques like link farms, the coop ad network we offer, seems from long experience safe on this score.

I also think the article talks a bit to much about requesting links on a large scale. In my expereience this is very hard and slow work. I prefer a quality and quantity of strong SEO content approach.
Gosu71

my forum is a niche market, so i targeted all things 'Warcraft' to get my site recognised.

a concentrated whack in one place hits harder than a hit too spread out....
David

admin wrote:
I prefer a quality and quantity of strong SEO content approach.
What do you mean? Like how you said to "make topics discussing things realted to your forum, let them develop, and then lock them for the search engines to scan?"
myff admin

David wrote:
admin wrote:
I prefer a quality and quantity of strong SEO content approach.
What do you mean? Like how you said to "make topics discussing things realted to your forum, let them develop, and then lock them for the search engines to scan?"


Basically yes. I regard most other forms of optimisation like link chasing and obsessive targeting of the finer details of how search engines operate as a bit like a hamster running on a wheel, ultimately it stays still, links made in this way dissappear over time and seach engines also change what they target. But each page of good content you add is an extra page for google, and an extra page people might naturally link to when they find it.
Hence your work accumilates.

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