alyx
|
Please Can You Do Something.http://lightsout.slarti.myfreeforum.org/index.php
Hi, I'm not a member of the above board and have no intention of joining as that is what they want...a board war.
When the aol message boards closed I opened one forum and some other people opened another. The aol trolls joined the other forum and totally wrecked it. I refused to let them join our foum so they set up their own.
To cut a long story short it seems that the entire forum is set up to completely libel myself and another poster...neither of us are members but they have set up and Alyx screenie and a Fjordsword one and are making some massively seriously allegations about us having an affair, my two year old son being his son...and that he's a paedophile. I knew about this a while ago but was hoping it would stop if we ignored it. Other people are watching the forum and have been telling me not to go and look, but now I'm getting mails telling me that I need to do something as it's getting very nasty. The entire forum is totally disgusting. There's no point in me sending you links to specific things as it's the entire forum. I've already been to the police about this rubbish when it was on aol. They know it's libellous yet the admin are encouraging it. They're on there under several screen names and are really encouraging it as they think it's funny. It's not only us two they are attacking, but plenty of other people as well, but as I daren't go in there and look (it's far too upsetting), you'll have to see for yourself. It's really not nice to have these insinuations made against you...especially when they're calling you things like a prostitute and paedophile. A lot of people are reading this rubbish as guests. I've been wondering whether I should report it for a while, but I've just received a mail saying that I have to get the police involved as it's getting seriously nasty.
Please, please, please can you deal with these people? Others are reading it and it's really upsetting me. The entire forum is absolutely disgusting. Please stop them as it will take ages if I have to go via the police. I've been told that the other day the 'Alyx' screenie had a photo of female genitals as the avatar but it's been changed now. This abuse shouldn't be allowed to continue. Please stop them.
Thank you.
|
admin (no pm's please)
|
There are close to 2000 threads on that forum.
We need specific links that substantiate what you are saying.
|
alyx
|
| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | There are close to 2000 threads on that forum.
We need specific links that substantiate what you are saying. |
There would be about 1800 links. It's the entire forum. Alyx is my real name. It's far from being a common spelling and they have set up an account in that name and based it on me...with all the extra rubbish about prostitution, paedophillia, etc, thrown in. I can't look myself as it really is upsetting me and I'd explode if I read too much. Just looking at the Alyx posts should give you a basic idea, although much of the nastiness is, apparently from Voodoochile and Gusset Monkey. The whole forum is just about libelling people...many of whom are not on there.
|
admin (no pm's please)
|
Sorry but I have just read half a dozen threads and found little to go on.
It may be unpleasant, but we need solid links not random trash.
If the "whole forum" is about libeling people it might be unpleasant, but it should not be hard to give us some links to look at.
|
alyx
|
Here are two to start with. I'm not going to read that stuff anymore. The fact that they have set up a character on there which is SUPPOSED to be me should give you some clues to what's going on. I'd rather not use up more police time on these idiots, but this has got to be stopped in one way or another. Here are a couple of links including one where 'I' claim to have been abused at a young age by a fireman (Fjordsword), left pregnant and dumped for his wife! That most definitely isn't acceptable. There are other posts on there which make claims that I've been raped by every Tom, Dick and Harry. This is seriously sick.
Please do something. It's not just at me and Fjordsword, it's aimed at other people too including a woman who is dying of cancer. The entire forum is in such a mess and has no order to it.
http://lightsout.slarti.myfreefor...sutra1964.php&highlight=#1964
http://lightsout.slarti.myfreeforum.org/Men_wanted_about221.html
|
admin (no pm's please)
|
I am about to read this, though you have not given a link to the forum that they are supposed to be imitating you from. So we have at the moment nothing to demonstrate that you exist!
|
admin (no pm's please)
|
Okay they are suspended.
|
alyx
|
| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | | I am about to read this, though you have not given a link to the forum that they are supposed to be imitating you from. So we have at the moment nothing to demonstrate that you exist! |
All this was from aol. But here's my forum:
http://thedirtyduck.myfreeforum.org/
|
admin (no pm's please)
|
They have as posted above been zapped.
Real nastiness in stolen names. Enough to characterize the forum as a "hate" forum under our T&Cs.
|
alyx
|
| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | | Okay they are suspended. |
Thank you so much. This has been making me feel so sick for a while but I was hoping that if we ignored it and didn't respond in any way that they'd stop, but they've just got worse and worse.
I really can't thank you enough...I feel as though a weight's been lifted off my shoulders now.
Take care...you really are brilliant.
|
admin (no pm's please)
|
You are welcome. Sorry I had to push you for enough information, but we have to have a clear cut case for closing a forum down as we are plagued by allegations that are essentially spurious.
|
alyx
|
| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | They have as posted above been zapped.
Real nastiness in stolen names. Enough to characterize the forum as a "hate" forum under our T&Cs. |
You are so much better than aol. Some of us had to put up with that for years without them doing anything. You really are incredible and I'm so grateful. It's been a nightmare.
xx
|
alyx
|
| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | | You are welcome. Sorry I had to push you for enough information, but we have to have a clear cut case for closing a forum down as we are plagued by allegations that are essentially spurious. |
Yes...I can imagine. I've been thinking about doing it for a while but was worried about having it all on here. Well worth it in the end. There are so many sick people out there.
Thank you again, lol.
|
Voodoochile11
|
| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | They have as posted above been zapped.
Real nastiness in stolen names. Enough to characterize the forum as a "hate" forum under our T&Cs. |
I didn't hate anyone?
It beggars belief how you have suspended a board with around 2000 posts on that people don't have to read. The board was set up as a lampoon on message boards where posters if they so willed could post a bit of nonsense, it is an open forum where anyone can post and it's taken for granted that people are adult enough to to take a bit of a ribbing.
I have never posted to Alex in my life, have never asked to go on her forum and never wanted too.
I don't understand "Real nastiness in stolen names"
If you look at the activity over the last few days you will realise the board has been trolled over the past few days with posters from her forum and I enjoyed it. I believe also they enjoyed it.The board has been a hive of activity and lots of neutral posters have enjoyed the nonsense of it all.
I think Alex is going over the top, she doesn't have to read it and has belittled lightsout on her own forum. I don't know about the accusations concerning her private life but as I don't know her and have never posted to her I can only wonder why she brings my name into it.
It seems to me that some people don't understand the infinity of the internet, it's not like we are next door neighbors with the dirty duck. People don't have to read lights out, in fact she has stated that this board cannot be talked about on her forum. She has issues with some posters on lights out and has she has stated she has had issues with these same posters on aol which aol deemed to be non issues, not from me though, so who's libeling who?
She obviously dislikes the lightsout forums cult status and doesn't like posters from her board posting there. Nothing can be done about that and I suggest that you open lights up again as it is an open board where most of the posters have enjoyed themselves. You should never bow to an individuals sensitivities to the will of the majority in most cases but I do think your cracking a nut with a sledgehammer in this case, lights out is a good forum and I was even thinking of buying a Russian girl you offered in your advertisements.
|
admin (no pm's please)
|
Nothing funny about what I read on there, real names by fake account owners posting hateful stuff.
I am making the forum available to the mods here to review the decision, but it will almost certainly stand.
|
alyx
|
| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | Nothing funny about what I read on there, real names by fake account owners posting hateful stuff.
I am making the forum available to the mods here to review the decision, but it will almost certainly stand. |
Thanks, Admin. A link to this thread has been put on other forums so anyone can see it. Is there anything you can do about that as this really should be private? Thanks again.
|
admin (no pm's please)
|
When the matter is settled the thread can be removed.
But there has to be a means for people to argue a case, basic principles of fair play demand that.
|
alyx
|
| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | When the matter is settled the thread can be removed.
But there has to be a means for people to argue a case, basic principles of fair play demand that. |
And in the meantime...the link to this is being put on other forums by members of that board so anyone and everyone can see.
|
hemto
|
| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | When the matter is settled the thread can be removed.
But there has to be a means for people to argue a case, basic principles of fair play demand that. |
May I just make a few valid points regarding this issue.
At least four of the "hateful" posters are people off alyxs forum with made up screen names stirring up trouble.In retrospect the admin of the lighthouse should have kicked them off but as it is an adult forum it was thought it best to wait for them to grow up or get bored.
The point alyx made regarding getting raped by tom dick or harry is actually a lie.I made that post and i did not say she had been raped by tom dick and harry.I said Alyx has "claimed" over the years on aol with her 4 different screen names to have had such experiences along with allegations of being stalked by all and sundry and the police constantly getting involved and tossing the libel laws around.If you want to check that i am telling the truth look under the serious news thread titled "moral dilemma" then you will see.alyx over the years has got a reputation for attention seeking and fantasising and doesn't appear able to to stop which is presumably why she has made allegations and then tried to get the thread removed before many people saw it.Why would it concern her it being mentioned on other forums if it is the truth?
I appreciate the decision will probably stand but i felt it relevant to inform you that the administration on this board are being hoodwinked.
|
admin (no pm's please)
|
Assuming other peoples identities and posting crap is no laughing matter whether the forum is adult or not.
Any admin allowing this is going to be in deep trouble.
|
alyx
|
All the evidence is on the forum. Only two of my member joined that forum...one being Hemto (posted above) who was barred as a user on my forum) and one other who was on there under her usual name as a friend of one of the member. None of my posters joined and trolled. It's a simple matter to check through checking IP addresses which are on the posts. The evidence is all over the forum and the people checking it are not stupid.
ADMIN...you can expect more trolls as they've put a link to this thread on the aol US boards.
Sorry to have caused you trouble but I stayed well clear of that forum and no one involved with myself or my forum has posted on there apart from the two mentioned above.
|
hemto
|
| alyx wrote: | All the evidence is on the forum. Only two of my member joined that forum...one being Hemto (posted above) who was barred as a user on my forum) and one other who was on there under her usual name as a friend of one of the member. None of my posters joined and trolled. It's a simple matter to check through checking IP addresses which are on the posts. The evidence is all over the forum and the people checking it are not stupid.
ADMIN...you can expect more trolls as they've put a link to this thread on the aol US boards.
Sorry to have caused you trouble but I stayed well clear of that forum and no one involved with myself or my forum has posted on there apart from the two mentioned above. |
You have total control over every one of your 66 posters and can say exactly what each member is doing when not on the dd? amazing! or maybe just another blatant lie.
|
hemto
|
If liane was the only poster on there from the dd,as you claim,thenshe must have been pretty busy reporting back all the misdeeds to provoke this situation and reading some of her posts on lights it would be seen by some as hypocritical.
|
hemto
|
| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | Assuming other peoples identities and posting crap is no laughing matter whether the forum is adult or not.
Any admin allowing this is going to be in deep trouble. |
I appreciate that the admin has been a bit too flexible but having never done it before they may have been naive.
|
Red
|
[quote="alyx"]All the evidence is on the forum. Only two of my member joined that forum...one being Hemto (posted above) who was barred as a user on my forum) and one other who was on there under her usual name as a friend of one of the member. None of my posters joined and trolled. It's a simple matter to check through checking IP addresses which are on the posts. The evidence is all over the forum and the people checking it are not stupid.
ADMIN...you can expect more trolls as they've put a link to this thread on the aol US boards.
Sorry to have caused you trouble but I stayed well clear of that forum and no one involved with myself or my forum has posted on there apart from the two mentioned above.[/quote]
That's not true. A moderator from your own forum registered as a member on LightsOut and proceeded to 'troll' there.
|
infectiia
|
Id just like to add that alex is telling the truth. Voodoochile and Red ruined a number of posters posting experience on the aol boards years ago and a lot of us moved to a forum i created about 3 years ago to get rid of them. Despite not reading them we would still get messages about things they were saying and I found it rather worrying to find they had a character called infectiia on their new board, which was a piss take of me. Along with piss takes of my friends.
We had been in touch with the police a few times and i have the emails from them if you ever need them, despite them being old now. They used to continually harrass a girl galled emma, stalked her ebay account and posted what she was buying, rang her home phone and lots of other stuff. It got so bad I complained to the police on her behalf. A lot of the abuse you will read on their forum is also about me, how i was supposed to have faked a heart attack, and loads of other rubbish, children sleeping in swimming pools etc. That goes back to when i was with my ex and his kids got took into care from his previous ex and one was found to be sleeping with a quilt in a paddling pool and no bed. These people have flung up personal stuff for years, not to mention one of the regular posters who has cancer, and it was sickening to read all the 'are you not dead yet' crap they spouted on the aol boards, and no doubt will still be there on yours too as evidence.
If you need any further proof i have lots of emails full of aol posts which were kept for the police as evidence. They think they are clever and just hound people and take the piss, and its not even funny, its just pure nastiness and jealousy. Im glad you had the guts to close their forum, but no doubt they will go elsewhere and it will spring up again. Its nice to see someone take positive action. Thankyou.
|
Voodoochile11
|
| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | Assuming other peoples identities and posting crap is no laughing matter whether the forum is adult or not.
Any admin allowing this is going to be in deep trouble. |
But as Hemto said the posters that where making mischief came from the op's board. I mean Alex has never read our board, she stated that! She is stirring the pot Admin. I mean surely you can understand she lied when she conviniently had a couple of links up her sleave though she stated she had never read the board.
|
EmmaMS
|
| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | They have as posted above been zapped.
Real nastiness in stolen names. Enough to characterize the forum as a "hate" forum under our T&Cs. |
Brilliant! these people went on unchecked for too long, finally somebody put a stop to them. I'm clearly not the only person to have had to involve police over their behaviour.
|
EmmaMS
|
[quote="Red"] | alyx wrote: | All the evidence is on the forum. Only two of my member joined that forum...one being Hemto (posted above) who was barred as a user on my forum) and one other who was on there under her usual name as a friend of one of the member. None of my posters joined and trolled. It's a simple matter to check through checking IP addresses which are on the posts. The evidence is all over the forum and the people checking it are not stupid.
ADMIN...you can expect more trolls as they've put a link to this thread on the aol US boards.
Sorry to have caused you trouble but I stayed well clear of that forum and no one involved with myself or my forum has posted on there apart from the two mentioned above.[/quote]
That's not true. A moderator from your own forum registered as a member on LightsOut and proceeded to 'troll' there.
|
unbelieveable! You and your cronies are the biggest trolls I have ever encountered in 6 years of regular forum use. So you lost your forum and you're now whining about trolls!
Frankly the only reason you ever got away with it on AOL is because they stopped moderating the boards. Well your cosy little unmoderated haven where you could cause misery to people for the hell of it has gone and out in forum land where your behaviour won't go unchecked you quickly found you can't get away with it anymore.
You lost your forum and it couldn't have happened to a nicer person.
|
Red
|
| infectiia wrote: | Id just like to add that alex is telling the truth. Voodoochile and Red ruined a number of posters posting experience on the aol boards years ago and a lot of us moved to a forum i created about 3 years ago to get rid of them. Despite not reading them we would still get messages about things they were saying and I found it rather worrying to find they had a character called infectiia on their new board, which was a piss take of me. Along with piss takes of my friends.
We had been in touch with the police a few times and i have the emails from them if you ever need them, despite them being old now. They used to continually harrass a girl galled emma, stalked her ebay account and posted what she was buying, rang her home phone and lots of other stuff. It got so bad I complained to the police on her behalf. A lot of the abuse you will read on their forum is also about me, how i was supposed to have faked a heart attack, and loads of other rubbish, children sleeping in swimming pools etc. That goes back to when i was with my ex and his kids got took into care from his previous ex and one was found to be sleeping with a quilt in a paddling pool and no bed. These people have flung up personal stuff for years, not to mention one of the regular posters who has cancer, and it was sickening to read all the 'are you not dead yet' crap they spouted on the aol boards, and no doubt will still be there on yours too as evidence.
If you need any further proof i have lots of emails full of aol posts which were kept for the police as evidence. They think they are clever and just hound people and take the piss, and its not even funny, its just pure nastiness and jealousy. Im glad you had the guts to close their forum, but no doubt they will go elsewhere and it will spring up again. Its nice to see someone take positive action. Thankyou. |
Emma registered as a member on LightsOut as Yasmin. One would have to question why, bearing in mind no invitation was sent to her. Infectiia, I hope you can back up your accusations that I hacked into Emma's Ebay account or telephoned her, as I consider these serious allegations against me.
|
Red
|
[quote="EmmaMS"] | Red wrote: | | alyx wrote: | All the evidence is on the forum. Only two of my member joined that forum...one being Hemto (posted above) who was barred as a user on my forum) and one other who was on there under her usual name as a friend of one of the member. None of my posters joined and trolled. It's a simple matter to check through checking IP addresses which are on the posts. The evidence is all over the forum and the people checking it are not stupid.
ADMIN...you can expect more trolls as they've put a link to this thread on the aol US boards.
Sorry to have caused you trouble but I stayed well clear of that forum and no one involved with myself or my forum has posted on there apart from the two mentioned above.[/quote]
That's not true. A moderator from your own forum registered as a member on LightsOut and proceeded to 'troll' there.
|
unbelieveable! You and your cronies are the biggest trolls I have ever encountered in 6 years of regular forum use. So you lost your forum and you're now whining about trolls!
Frankly the only reason you ever got away with it on AOL is because they stopped moderating the boards. Well your cosy little unmoderated haven where you could cause misery to people for the hell of it has gone and out in forum land where your behaviour won't go unchecked you quickly found you can't get away with it anymore.
You lost your forum and it couldn't have happened to a nicer person. |
Why register on Lights Out as a member then?
|
alyx
|
| Red wrote: |
That's not true. A moderator from your own forum registered as a member on LightsOut and proceeded to 'troll' there.
|
Liane, you mean? If she's trolled on there it will be seen by the ADMIN here, won't it? And what she does or does not do is nothing to do with me.
|
EmmaMS
|
Hey Alyx, I appreciate you want this thread removed and aren't happy it's been linked to other boards but the simple fact is you've just managed to do something many of us failed to do for years and rather than not wanting this aired in public I think you should realise you've got the support of a lot of people who've been on the receiving end of them for a long time.
Apart from those that lost their board today - I assure you a lot of people are extremely pleased with this result (I was being impersonated on there myself).
|
alyx
|
| hemto wrote: |
You have total control over every one of your 66 posters and can say exactly what each member is doing when not on the dd? amazing! or maybe just another blatant lie. |
I don't have 66 active posters. Many of those have not even had their accounts activated, looked at the forum or posted. I'm very careful who I let in theres. You were a mistake which I corrected when you attempted to start a forum war. You were immediately deleted once I was told. Our forum and the members aren't interested in that stuff. We left the trolls behind with aol. Time everyone else moved on.
|
infectiia
|
Go for your life red. I have copies of your posts and voodoos going back years, what was saved for the police and i never got rid of. You found her ebay account by tracking back a wedding dress photo and commented on various items emma bought, jewellery etc, which you wouldnt have known about unless you looked at her ebay account feedback history. The police were informed of all of this at the time and i still have the aol posts copied as evidence for them, You were very fortunate that emma never took the matter further, cos she could have. Yous didnt believe us when we said we had involved the police. its all on record. So if youd like to make anything of it, please do. Im sure the police would love the fact you are still carrying on your vindictive nastiness after all this time. You should have been dealt with years ago. Disgusting, the lot of yous. And your american friend who pretends to be so religious and santimonious and shes one of teh biggest stirrers ive ever seen. Yous really are beneath contempt.
|
alyx
|
| EmmaMS wrote: | Hey Alyx, I appreciate you want this thread removed and aren't happy it's been linked to other boards but the simple fact is you've just managed to do something many of us failed to do for years and rather than not wanting this aired in public I think you should realise you've got the support of a lot of people who've been on the receiving end of them for a long time.
Apart from those that lost their board today - I assure you a lot of people are extremely pleased with this result (I was being impersonated on there myself). |
Thanks for the support, Emma, but that's not why I reported this. If I had known this was going to happen I would have just gone to the police. It's not fair to burden this forum with all the aol rubbish which should be in the past. I had all these people filtered...they're just annoyed because they weren't accepted into my forum.
I would like to apologise to ADMIN and say I didn't expect this to happen...I wouldn't have reported it if I had known.
|
hemto
|
| alyx wrote: | | hemto wrote: |
You have total control over every one of your 66 posters and can say exactly what each member is doing when not on the dd? amazing! or maybe just another blatant lie. |
I don't have 66 active posters. Many of those have not even had their accounts activated, looked at the forum or posted. I'm very careful who I let in theres. You were a mistake which I corrected when you attempted to start a forum war. You were immediately deleted once I was told. Our forum and the members aren't interested in that stuff. We left the trolls behind with aol. Time everyone else moved on. |
Don't talk crap.your problem is that you can;t accept there is someone else being capriche not me.put up or shut up.i will do you for libel.
|
Red
|
| EmmaMS wrote: | | admin (no pm's please) wrote: | They have as posted above been zapped.
Real nastiness in stolen names. Enough to characterize the forum as a "hate" forum under our T&Cs. |
Brilliant! these people went on unchecked for too long, finally somebody put a stop to them. I'm clearly not the only person to have had to involve police over their behaviour. |
I don't remember anyone mentioning your name on LightsOut until you started posting there yourself.
And Emma, do you have case number as I will not have allegations made about me that I phoned your home or that I have hacked into your ebay account.
|
infectiia
|
Id just like to add, to the site admin on here, watch and learn, no doubt they will be back on here arguing the toss using this thread like an aol board. Its happening already. I had them filtered for the last few years on aol so i didnt have to read this nastiness and drivel, and ill be bowing out of this now as it doesnt take much for them to start all over again and i really cant be bothered as they dont warrant my attention. But you can see that for yourself as it unfurls. You have my email address if you need any evidence i can help with, its infectiia@aol.com. I have posts and emails going back years.
If anyone does decide to get the police and take things further, ill gladly hand it all over along with the details of the previous reports made.
|
infectiia
|
| alyx wrote: | | EmmaMS wrote: | Hey Alyx, I appreciate you want this thread removed and aren't happy it's been linked to other boards but the simple fact is you've just managed to do something many of us failed to do for years and rather than not wanting this aired in public I think you should realise you've got the support of a lot of people who've been on the receiving end of them for a long time.
Apart from those that lost their board today - I assure you a lot of people are extremely pleased with this result (I was being impersonated on there myself). |
Thanks for the support, Emma, but that's not why I reported this. If I had known this was going to happen I would have just gone to the police. It's not fair to burden this forum with all the aol rubbish which should be in the past. I had all these people filtered...they're just annoyed because they weren't accepted into my forum.
I would like to apologise to ADMIN and say I didn't expect this to happen...I wouldn't have reported it if I had known. |
It was bound to happen, its what they do. If you go to the police you can give them my name cos ive reported stuff a couple of times previously and still have the evidence of posts. I had them filtered too and they have been trying to get into my trollops forum for the last 3 years. Very sad. Its quite worrying they have that amount of obsession with me and my friends after all that time. They have serious issues.
|
Red
|
| alyx wrote: | | Red wrote: |
That's not true. A moderator from your own forum registered as a member on LightsOut and proceeded to 'troll' there.
|
Liane, you mean? If she's trolled on there it will be seen by the ADMIN here, won't it? And what she does or does not do is nothing to do with me. |
No, I do not mean Liane. I have reason to believe that another moderator from the DirtyDucks recently registered on LightsOut to attack posters there. And yes, I assume that ADMIN here would be able to check that out.
|
EmmaMS
|
[quote="Red"] | EmmaMS wrote: | | Red wrote: | | alyx wrote: | All the evidence is on the forum. Only two of my member joined that forum...one being Hemto (posted above) who was barred as a user on my forum) and one other who was on there under her usual name as a friend of one of the member. None of my posters joined and trolled. It's a simple matter to check through checking IP addresses which are on the posts. The evidence is all over the forum and the people checking it are not stupid.
ADMIN...you can expect more trolls as they've put a link to this thread on the aol US boards.
Sorry to have caused you trouble but I stayed well clear of that forum and no one involved with myself or my forum has posted on there apart from the two mentioned above.[/quote]
That's not true. A moderator from your own forum registered as a member on LightsOut and proceeded to 'troll' there.
|
unbelieveable! You and your cronies are the biggest trolls I have ever encountered in 6 years of regular forum use. So you lost your forum and you're now whining about trolls!
Frankly the only reason you ever got away with it on AOL is because they stopped moderating the boards. Well your cosy little unmoderated haven where you could cause misery to people for the hell of it has gone and out in forum land where your behaviour won't go unchecked you quickly found you can't get away with it anymore.
You lost your forum and it couldn't have happened to a nicer person. |
Why register on Lights Out as a member then? |
Did I? you sure about that? give me a screen shot of the addresses that I registered with and I'll show you one right back proving none of them are mine.
|
admin (no pm's please)
|
This is now being locked. Clearly this is something long running, and something we have no wish to be in the middle of.
|
|
|