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admin (no pm's please)

phpbb3 - how is it for you?

This is not a thread for bug reports, just for a general view on phpbb3 and our implementation.

I will kick off by saying I am still unhappy with forums permissions.

We have had 3 admitted  instances of people wondering why they cannot see their forums One of these instances being me

If you don't see "copy permissions" amongst the mass of options and don't go on to the scary permissions screen you will end up with a hidden forum.

But aside from that I think things are not too bad, the admin panel is designed around the fact that new features are a part of the forum whereas on phpbb2 we have them mostly under portals. This is a double edged sword as it allows people to manage a simple forum without being numbed by the complexity of phpbb3, but if you are an advanced user it does make a lot more sense.
St0rm[TitE]

i look at it this way, the majority of us are basic users and so obviously the newcomers who find us will be.

i ask this, if phpbb2 does all our needs then why progress to phpbb3?

to be a leading edge forum provider then we have to progress, as people are always on the constant lookout for the most up to date thing.

its obviously more complicated than phpbb2, but this is a help forum so we can all share each others experience and help each other with our findings and push ourselves forward.
Nick(NR)

Re: phpbb3 - how is it for you?

admin (no pm's please) wrote:
I will kick off by saying I am still unhappy with forums permissions.


 The other being me and we're supposed to know
Symon

Re: phpbb3 - how is it for you?

Nick(NR) wrote:
admin (no pm's please) wrote:
I will kick off by saying I am still unhappy with forums permissions.


 The other being me and we're supposed to know


And i have to write a guide for something i,ve never used  

Permissions are going to be the biggest hurdle here .
Manz

im having difficulty reverting a phpbb2 template in to phpbb3.
Nick(NR)

Template editing now in progress: http://portalogy.myfabforum.org/index.php

and manz what template as some genius may have already done it unless it's a custom one in which case it's gonna be hard for a lot of members.
Symon

What i find annoying as well as silly is the links like below

http://howtodoit.myfabforum.org/v...=2aeb2d1140df52c1a6d572697762bbcd

It always adds the users session id to it.

Now if you leave the link without the session id

http://howtodoit.myfabforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31

And follow it it takes you to the thread as a guest and not logged in, which could problems when linking to guides etc.
Symon

Also the settings are crazy not just the permissions, but looking though the admin panel they are so many places to turn on or off the same feature, adding major confusion to the novice of phpbb3,

I know i,m sticking to phpbb2 for all my forums expect the HOWTODOIT of course.
admin (no pm's please)

Symon wrote:

I know i,m sticking to phpbb2 for all my forums expect the HOWTODOIT of course.


I guess thats the real question isn't it.

That is not the answer I want to hear

But is of course the answer I have been suggesting is likely and sensible for the last year  
Alz

Symon wrote:
Also the settings are crazy not just the permissions, but looking though the admin panel they are so many places to turn on or off the same feature, adding major confusion to the novice of phpbb3,

I know i,m sticking to phpbb2 for all my forums expect the HOWTODOIT of course.


Then you'll never get better at anything if you just give up on your first few days..
Symon

Alz wrote:
Symon wrote:
Also the settings are crazy not just the permissions, but looking though the admin panel they are so many places to turn on or off the same feature, adding major confusion to the novice of phpbb3,

I know i,m sticking to phpbb2 for all my forums expect the HOWTODOIT of course.


Then you'll never get better at anything if you just give up on your first few days..


Its got nothing to do with getting better, after only a day of using it i,m more than comfortable using it, And more than able to write HOWTODOIT for it. I,m just saying i do not like it, and would  prefer to stick with phpbb2

And for someone that spends his life on here rather than searching etc, i would not be too quick to judge, you seem to have a bee in your bonnet that i,m writing a HOWTODOIT for this ??? not sure why as it was plainly obvious that i would be doing so.
admin (no pm's please)

The issue is clearly not whether any of our capable modding team can manage with phpbb3, of course we can once the learning curve is dealt with.

The question is do we like it, and just how bad is the learning curve?

We have already see myself and Nick tripped up a little on permissions Will we make that mistake again? No!, would Nick have figured it out if someone hadn't told him? Yes!.

But the fact we can use it, does not mean we have to like the over complexity or that we have to think it will be good for our users.
admin (no pm's please)

I find myself wondering if we have to make the divide into the two types of forums.

1) Forums where people really just want to run a forum they can understand, people who rarely want or need much more than a logo change, and perhaps some of the little extras we have like the moderation portal. To be honest that is pretty much how the support forum is run. Any other extras added here are really just out of that obligation to show case a new things.
For such forums phpbb2 is ideal.

2) Forums where people want to play and learn. For such forums it makes sense to be operating on the most advanced platform available. e.g. the phpbb3 platform.

I think I have a sort of obligation to make this forum phpbb3, but I think my true attitude will be seen on downsizer.net my forum that is a separately maintained phpbb2 forum with a number of myff features, a forum that was created before myff and so has not made the transition here. Will this be upgraded to phpbb3 or not? The answer for at least the short term is probably not.
We don't need any of the features in phpbb3 what we have works well as forum and that is what matters.
Symon

admin (no pm's please) wrote:
I find myself wondering if we have to make the divide into the two types of forums.

1) Forums where people really just want to run a forum they can understand, people who rarely want or need much more than a logo change, and perhaps some of the little extras we have like the moderation portal. To be honest that is pretty much how the support forum is run. Any other extras added here are really just out of that obligation to show case a new things.
For such forums phpbb2 is ideal.

2) Forums where people want to play and learn. For such forums it makes sense to be operating on the most advanced platform available. e.g. the phpbb3 platform.

I think I have a sort of obligation to make this forum phpbb3, but I think my true attitude will be seen on downsizer.net my forum that is a separately maintained phpbb2 forum with a number of myff features, a forum that was created before myff and so has not made the transition here. Will this be upgraded to phpbb3 or not? The answer for at least the short term is probably not.
We don't need any of the features in phpbb3 what we have works well as forum and that is what matters.


Lets take your points

1.

I totally agree a forum is and should be a community where people are drawn to it by good honest posts, maybe a few added extras to give a new feel every now and again and a few hacks like birthday table would slightly enhance a forum for the better. Many Members will not want the change and if the admin gets a ego head on they could drive off their members.

I,ll feel that not many people will make a successful transition to phpbb3 , most want it, it seems to me, just for the extra colours that they can give to their best members, while leaving the other members out in the cold. Here you can have special member, extra special member, best member best mod excellent mod etc etc ,,, a sure way of causing rifts between members, and too be honest a forum really doesn't need tons fo mods or admins,, on all my forums i am the only admin and i have no mods at all (test purpose only on HOWTODOIT)

2. you say play and learn maybe best for phpbb3 ?

Again i would say no, phpbb2 seems to me, much more easier to manage and to edit, one mistake in phpbb3 and bang if you didn't export , then your in trouble, phpbb2 here has editor 4 template slots etc.

And how many people that we see on here that can not follow the basic of basic guides for phpbb2 will master the and if if else codes in phpbb3, and of course you can not use HTML so where we were slapping tables in left right and centre its not as easy as that now, just last night it took over 20 mins just to set the forum up to be able to control tables.

Learning curve it certainly is, but how many people will want to learn or have the time to learn when all they really want to do is run a  forum. ? ( it will take them half the night to work out all their permissions are right, and where to set them etc)

2 markets for 2 different punters

My market is yes i want to learn and gain knowledge on phpbb3 but to me phpbb2 is the only format i will use on a daily bases until forced to switch.


Just trying to write guides for this is head spinning as i find i,m repeating myself all over the places as you have permissions here or there and both over there.

Time will tell and the figures of how many sign up and keep it active will be interesting.

On  plus i have seen a few things i like In the admin panel that have given the admin more control.  Wink
admin (no pm's please)

It is certainly very debatable.

Over time some things may be made easier. Like posting tables, there will be hacks to improve things.

I think I have commented before I have seen a phpbb3 system with a totally rewritten and easier admin panel, but when you change things that drastically is it even really phpbb3 any more?

Time is going to be our biggest ally here, that is taking the time. It took over two years to come up with the best free phpbb2 forum,I don't think there is any rival that compares With phpbb3 we have started with a leap ahead in a single bound of most the rivals as we have got the portals and webpages already installed, but we then need to pace things as this is a new system to learn. It is not like phpbb2 where we entered the fray with years of experience with it.
Symon

Just doing the guide for the user control panel and came across the private messages section.

I,m in two minds over if i like or dislike the Rule feature, i can see the benefit if someone is plaguing you , just to automatically have their messages deleted, but will this discourage the members to flag it to the attention of the admin.

So in effect a spammer could be spamming away with out the admin knowing about it.

The idea of making your own folders is better much better, and this is where the benefit of the Rule comes into play, for example if i was a member of say 3 groups i can make 3 rules directing the messages from the right group to the right folder.

However i still find the whole admin panel very clumsy, of course i,m zipping around now as if i,ve used it for ages, but do find myself setting say permissions not in the permission area but else where, or manging forums from general instead of forums.
admin (no pm's please)

Symon wrote:

I,m in two minds over if i like or dislike the Rule feature, i can see the benefit if someone is plaguing you , just to automatically have their messages deleted, but will this discourage the members to flag it to the attention of the admin.


This is the old old debate we have had here, there is a point where a bit of tech to enforce something lets the admin off the hook, and buttons that conceal things being poorly run are ultimately dangerous. phpbb3 has a lot like that, friends/foe lists come to mind for a start.
Symon

Well it was going to happen but oh boy glad it wasn't a major topic, was delete a category and was meaning to move the posts to the another category so as not to clutter up the index page, was too busy listen to ladysmithblack mambo  , that i forgot to switch the switches and not only deleted the category but around 30 posts as well.  

Oh well time to repost them.
admin (no pm's please)

Ouch

I guess though it really was clear enough if concentrating?
Symon

admin (no pm's please) wrote:
Ouch

I guess though it really was clear enough if concentrating?


Yep  but was on auto drive really so was just blasting my way though with out stopping to think.

Anyway have got most of them back remembered that i did alot of them using word pad and had them saved.

Also just noticed a w3c validator on the forum ? what type of bot is this,, as in its not ad related, or search engine related.
Alz

Symon wrote:
admin (no pm's please) wrote:
Ouch

I guess though it really was clear enough if concentrating?


Yep  but was on auto drive really so was just blasting my way though with out stopping to think.

Anyway have got most of them back remembered that i did alot of them using word pad and had them saved.

Also just noticed a w3c validator on the forum ? what type of bot is this,, as in its not ad related, or search engine related.


http://validator.w3.org/

http://validator.w3.org/ wrote:
This validator checks the markup validity of Web documents in HTML, XHTML, SMIL, MathML, etc.
Symon

I know what 3c validator site is all about and what it does, as i`ve used it hundreds of times.

So the question still stands of why they have a crawler bot and what is its purpose.

The only reason i can think of is someone was checking the site using the free validation page which then sent a bot over. Question is who was checking ?
Symon

Symon wrote:
I know what 3c validator site is all about and what it does, as i`ve used it hundreds of times.

So the question still stands of why they have a crawler bot and what is its purpose.

The only reason i can think of is someone was checking the site using the free validation page which then sent a bot over. Question is who was checking ?


Just done a trace and check and found out that someone must have been checking the site which did in fact send over a bot.
Roy

Not sure if this has been asked but will the support forum be moving over to PHPbb3 when its announced as fully released?

Also i agree the permision fields are stupid, as are the amount of times the same feature can be turned on or off, its seems every 2nd settings contegory repeats some of the same feature options.

Not sure how many people will like PHPbb3, but the sad thing is that in a years time most new people to creating forums will create PHPbb3 not knowing that PHPbb2 is better and far more easier to use.

Ok in a years time Admin could have changed most of the things to make running a PHPbb3 forum much more easier but my point doesn't cover Myff it cover's all forum hosts, the good news is because Myff will offer a much more stble and btter PHPbb3 forum than any other host we should see a lot of people creating forums here rather than with other hosts but it still makes you wounder what the big fuse is about.

PHPbb3 is ok but if i had to choose between PHPbb3 and IPB boards i think i would choose IPB even though i don't like them.

I will however give PHPbb3 its chance although i have set up test forums when it was 1st released as beta testing but like so mny i dropped the idea that it was somethng to look forward to and decided i wouldn't create any more test forums on till myff was hosting them, hnce the reason i have now creatd one now.
admin (no pm's please)

The support forum will move.

this is not a statement of preference. But if we are not using what the customers are using it undermines us.
Roy

Ok thanks Admin.
Symon

Moved to new area.

Also tided it up a little to keep it all on topic.
Symon

Ok after just under a week of using this i still have a few issues.

1. the links stink if i were to follow a link form here say http://howtodoit.myfabforum.org i will be sent to the page but not logged in, even though i could have another tab open where i am still logged in, this i think can and will cause trouble as you can sign in with as many names as you like all at the same time.

2. The other link problem is where you post a link to a thread by copying and pasting the url form your address bar, but this always has your session id in it, again this causes people following that link problems.


3. Still has to be the permissions ,, who ever thought these up must have been high on drugs or work in the deepest bunkers under the war office.

There are just to many different permission settings , there simply is no need for them all and anyone will be tripping over them for a long time. Today i set permissions for  a user in A,B,D<E<F and so on but forgot C it took ages to go back though them all just to find that one switch wasn't switched.

There was noting wrong with the phpbb2 version of this, there simply is no need to have different settings for moderators, its simple if you can not trust a mod to do have all mod powers then they should not be mods in the first place, you can have standard mods full mods global mods etc etc ?? WHY  Pointless and frustration.

4. Not having the luxury of having 4 template slots and the editor user (which for some reason`s hardly anyone used, hence all the cry`s for help) is going to cause major headaches as people will steamroll into the styles panel and try and add all kinds of crap with out thinking.

What with all the <if s_s and isnt blaa blaa > <if no_ then your forums gone bang> end if ,, editing templates is a lot more complex than Phpbb2 one small edit done wrong and you see  the WSOD (white screen of death), it will be a learning curve for us all.

5. No HTML this will cause a few headaches as people then have to add their own custom BBcodes to compensate (i,m in the middle of adding around 50 bbcodes to a guide on HOWTODOIT) for eg you can not add
Code:
<center>
in a post anymore you have to add [center] but you would have had to add this your self to the bbcode settings in the control panel.

6. Adding attachments using the attachments hack is a pain it was much better the old way, it doesn't leave a nice link so you could copy and paste it just leaves the name of the image. And you cant move it to another post you have to upload it to each post. Also have found this to be very sticky, some times you have to refresh many times for all images to show.


Apart from that i,m zipping around the admin panel blindfolded now,

The plus side is the templates i,ve seen are much nicer and crisper, and for all the added gadgets freaks most of the stuff we had to add like B/day and offline etc are all ready there so there is a little plus side.

But still i prefer phpbb2 and wont be switching any of my forums over (apart form my test site)
admin (no pm's please)

All I can say is yep  
admin (no pm's please)

Just to bump this again, reading through your points, we could of course make the old gallery system available to those that want it, but I did not as I don't like complicating things even further.

I will never tire of ranting about the permissions, there is absolutely no point in a permissions system where you are going to be in a constant tiz as to whether a user has the wrong access as you have made a mistake, or forgotten about something in one the myriad places where permissions are set.

We have had instance even in phpbb2 where people have got themselves in a mess by setting up groups and forgetting exactly what they have done. Phpbb3 is not 10 times worse, it is 100 times worse  

I'm still struggling to think of any time I would make use of any of the phpbb3 extra permissions, and failing

I still intend moving the support forum to phpbb3, but only as I think I have to. I do not relish the idea at all.
Symon

Got to say that most people would think after writing HOWTODOIT for PHPBB2 that it would be easier to write, as i know what i,m doing , and got use to how guides should be written.

But this is much hardier this time round, it seems like while writing the guides for all the control panels , im writing everything twice, some time 3 times.

I,m also finding that alot i,m writing , i,m wondering why the hell is there a need to, nearly every screen in the mod panel has 2 or 3 different links ? why don't keep them all together, i have counted 6 different ways to approve or disprove a post ? WHY

I,m nearing the end of the control panel guides now (Thank God), then i can blast though the useful things like the added BBcodes.
admin (no pm's please)

I suppose that writing the guides is going to make you easily the most expert person we have

I'm still classing myself as a beginner, a position I had been resolved to get passed before adding hacks.

But already we have started the hack route simply as a means of trying to make the system vaguely usable.

I wish I could do something with those darn permissions.
Symon

Just to show people that its not us being mad heres a game of hide and seek







One screen warn user is there the next its not, but wait there is a 3rd one but i cant get it to show again     it takes out warn user and puts in its place warn specific post .

Now what is the point of hiding links to only show on certain pages,, you find yourself running around and around trying to find them again.
Symon

Ahh found it


admin (no pm's please)

and as ever it is a big complex system to do something that forums can live effectively and probably better without  

I'll let you into a secret, on the myff "backend" I do use form letters for warnings! Though even there the system allows and asks for a footnote to be added. There's a big different though, about all I will know is that a complaint has been made about say iffy downloads on a forum and there is very little else I may know, as such I may as well save time with an automated warning system.


But the idea of pre-written warnings is actually quite wrong on a forum, on a forum 99% of the time you know who you are dealing with and what their "previous" is, e.g. you should be PMing a specific message to them and not copping out with a form warning.
dinglouisa

I tested phpbb3 today; all I can say; only like the attachment feature. Not confidence & unhappy with the result since all sub forums became as individual.    

Mean while will stick to phpbb2 & explore 3 for a while.  Wink
admin (no pm's please)

Sub-forums will become forums as our sunb-forums do not get converted. But they can be made sub-forums again.
dinglouisa

admin (no pm's please) wrote:
Sub-forums will become forums as our sunb-forums do not get converted. But they can be made sub-forums again.


need to work those out   edit forum in process..... .......I'm lost....where do this one belong to?

I'm starting to hate it already.....

It's like back to square one....
Symon

dinglouisa wrote:
admin (no pm's please) wrote:
Sub-forums will become forums as our sunb-forums do not get converted. But they can be made sub-forums again.


need to work those out   edit forum in process..... .......I'm lost....where do this one belong to?

I'm starting to hate it already.....

It's like back to square one....


It is very much back to square one,

I still say phpbb2 was nicely defragmented ,, where as phpbb3 was all chucked in a pot chucked upside down and thats how its stayed.
admin (no pm's please)

It is a bit off topic, but web programming has developed in the last few years.

Apart from phpbb, I am a competent programming in another product Joomla, Joomla has been around for several years and was much much nicer to program in than phpbb2. Phpbb3 has not leap frogged Joomla in terms of coding It has really hardly advanced at all   and meanwhile Joomla 1.5 has been released and has gone much further forward.

This is not very relevant to forums since Joomla is not a forum, but does illustrate to me that phpbb3 has gone off the rails.

For the user what matters of course is what is the best forums system for them, and in my view in terms of what the user sees phpbb2 and phpbb3 are very good especially with our additions, from the admin view though phpbb3 is horrible and that is what is going to matter to forums that are starting out.
dinglouisa

Symon wrote:

It is very much back to square one,

I still say phpbb2 was nicely defragmented ,, where as phpbb3 was all chucked in a pot chucked upside down and thats how its stayed.


Agreed! phpbb2 easy to navigate then 3. Unless when I'm more familiarise with it; I'll stick to 2.

dinglouisa

admin (no pm's please) wrote:
For the user what matters of course is what is the best forums system for them, and in my view in terms of what the user sees phpbb2 and phpbb3 are very good especially with our additions, from the admin view though phpbb3 is horrible and that is what is going to matter to forums that are starting out.


Well..may be for starting out; but I still prefer the one which is easy to navigate since I was a complete computer idiot; first time I started with the forum.

I won't be able to set up anything; without the help from the Support forum & how to do it.

That made phpbb2  more straight forward & easy to understand when you follow instruction carefully.

Where as phpbb3 have to many features which confuse me when at admin view. If you look at it; some options look almost the same or repeated.

teamairborn

I like it. Easy to use, better software, more administration options, seems to be a great forum base.
Just Jen

I'm a total noob to all this, but I really like it - it's much easier for me to understand.

THANK YOU!!!
Novaris

interesting thread guys.

i transfered my phpbb2 forum over to 3 yesterday (not fully, i wont do that untill im fully compotent with phpbb3) and iv been playing around with it for a while. I must say i like it allot more than 2. you can fine tune aspect of your forums allot more specificaly which i think is a definate improvement. Yes the admin pannel is quite confusing intialy but on the good side its allot more maliable. For instance with the permissions thing i can assign specific permissions for members joining up to read a certain topic only then read 'and post' only in the sub forum to leave their aplication details (its a clan forum). Which obviously is really handy.

More so i can set specific permissions for certain groups so they only they can view and post in certain section whilst another group can onhly 'view' the same section (i.e. squad leaders can post commands in a section for the squad members to read e.t.c.)

i know the permissions thing has been dubbed 'bodged' but in my humble opinion i think the added complexity grants allot better control of various factors, resulting in allot more of a 'fine-tuned' forum, for whatever needs you may have. Yes its allot more complicated but it doesnt really matter as it IS fully usable to people that are willing to put in that little bit of extra work to really refine down 'exactly' how they want their forum to run.

The templates are also allot nicer with added portals already implemented which is great.

overall i give phpbb3 a definate thumbs up.

It's allot more complex, needs itoning out a bit, but ultimatly has allot of potential.

im definatly going over to 3 when iv fully tuned up and get to grips with it.

good work!  
admin (no pm's please)

Sorry but I think all you mention as examples can be done effectively with phpbb2 groups. So I remain unconvinced that the extra complexity is worth it.

But we always figured that opinions will be divided, and hence we are offering the choice.
BjornkeGeish

All of the smillies on my forum are not working!! Is this known?

Is there a way to fix it?
BjornkeGeish

I just want to ask. Is there ever going to be a day when all forums HAVE TO BE Phpbb3, and if so, when are we going to have to expect this?
BjornkeGeish

We have had the Link to Phpbb3 for a day now, and all of our members have e-mailed me saying that I would like it to be back to Phpbb2.

So, I don't know if you think I am rude or something, but I promise, now, I am sure that we want it on Phpbb2 and it will remain Phpbb2 for the rest of the time until it is required to be Phpbb3.

I just want to make sure, your not allowing my site to return to Phpbb2.

However, we all want it Phpbb2, and we all want it to stay Phpbb2 as long as it is allowed.

Thanks and sorry for all of my messing around. We have made our decision. and we are staying with it.
Symon

You can convert back in the control panel which will delete only the phpbb3 templates your phpbb2 will be as normal. but you only have 3 month s to change back.
BjornkeGeish

ok...then if we only had 3 months, I will stay with Phpbb3....it works just as good. The only problem is that none of the Smillies are showing!!

I'm fine with Phpbb3 then.

Thanks!
BjornkeGeish

so if I see this right...you mean if I convertered it back to Phpbb2 NOW, in 3 months It would HAVE to go back to Phpbb3?

Right now it is Phpbb3 and if this is correct, I will keep it Phpbb3 then.
Symon

NO

You have 3 months from the time you switch from phpbb2 to phpbb3 , to switch back to phpbb2, after that time if you have not switched back the phpbb2 forum will be gone.


If you switch back to phpbb2 then your phpbb2 forum will stay for as long as you need it, but the phpbb3 one will be gone.
BjornkeGeish

ok

so if I leave my forum in Phpbb3, within 3 months, my phpbb2 forum will be deleted. Correct? I like Phpbb3, and as long as someday the Smilies are fixed, I am good.

Thanxs
Teddybear

Despite what everyone is thinking i think phpBB3 is a great leap forward. Two aspects i particularly like are the acp and the ucp. They are a tremendous improvement on the prvious version. It is so much easier to adjust and alter template now than it used to be. So from this humble user. WELL DONE!
poohpants

Teddybear wrote:
Despite what everyone is thinking i think phpBB3 is a great leap forward. Two aspects i particularly like are the acp and the ucp. They are a tremendous improvement on the prvious version. It is so much easier to adjust and alter template now than it used to be. So from this humble user. WELL DONE!


just upgraded now. and as above i think it much better,  a little bit scary at first but once you get the hang of it i found it much easier to use. there are many different routes of changing things which does confuse the issue but that aside excellent.  and im a proper novice if i can get my head round it anyone can.

any news on these smiles yet ??
admin (no pm's please)

A new Smilies system will be some time coming, as we will not rewrite core phpbb3 features until things are settled down a lot more.
archers-rest

phpbb3 is mighty fine, we at AR are busy making our new look forums and what a pleasure it is      

One question though - the phpbb3 forum that we are working on is not live and probably wont be untill a lot more features are available, blogging & smilies immediately spring to mind, does the 3 month rule regards closing the phpbb2 forum still come into play even if the phpbb3 forum is not live or do you close the phpbb2 forum down 3 months after it becomes inactive?
admin (no pm's please)

You have not actually flipped the switch to make your phpbb2 forum inaccessible. So no 3 month rule applies.

Note the reality is that no such system is actually implemented anyway   It will have to be done at some point, but is hardly a priority.
poohpants

shame about them smilies but even so im that impressed with new look ive payed for the 6 months add free.  this is a must. seriously impressed.
admin (no pm's please)

I concede the smilies are quite a big cosmetic issue, but all the same it is only cosmetic, and I'm still convinced that we are better off being tough about things for now.

We have already given people a system with more features than standard phpbb3, and as I keep saying it is plain to see that we are pumping out new features for forums at a decent rate of knots. Phpbb3 will gets its extras when the time is right.
BjornkeGeish

Yes, I agree. Well, I love Phpbb3, and our forum has grown to 15 members, and over 1000 posts! I love it. I am at no hurry for smilies. Most members could care less.

Just check it out here: http://chat.myfastforum.org/

Thank-you so much admin.

Also, I have noted that some of my new users, needed an e-mail adress, and they didn't have one, I was kind enough to let them use mine for signup, and I would verify for them. I have no spam, there parents even called me and said "Thank-You" (Not all, but 2 of their parents did) it was a group of them all joining at ounce...they are some mighty fine talkers I shoudl say....
BjornkeGeish

However, I have noticed that you must be "Signed In" inorder to to Veiw any of the forums....all you get it a blank sheet, with the Login menu there. No forums are veiwable until you register and log-in. Is there a fix to this??
Symon

BjornkeGeish wrote:
However, I have noticed that you must be "Signed In" inorder to to Veiw any of the forums....all you get it a blank sheet, with the Login menu there. No forums are veiwable until you register and log-in. Is there a fix to this??


The guides on HOWTODOIT 3 state that you must sort the forum permissions out for guests to view.
BjornkeGeish

well, never MIND!! I ahev fixed it!! Duh, I forgot to select anymous user...IT WAS STARING ME IN MY FACE!
BjornkeGeish

But thanks anyways Symon...Your a good mod...You seem to allways be kind and give people help and give them warnings instead of just obruptly doing something (Unless it is really serious, like p**n or something)
admin (no pm's please)

BjornkeGeish wrote:
well, never MIND!! I ahev fixed it!! Duh, I forgot to select anymous user...IT WAS STARING ME IN MY FACE!


Not the first one stuck there, it is all too complicated
BjornkeGeish

admin (no pm's please) wrote:
BjornkeGeish wrote:
well, never MIND!! I ahev fixed it!! Duh, I forgot to select anymous user...IT WAS STARING ME IN MY FACE!


Not the first one stuck there, it is all too complicated



hehe..that got a laugh, but yeah, I forgot what it ment for awhile too!
poohpants

going back to the smile issue, ive seen another forum which looks like phpBB3  going just on the loooks and layout and they have smilie on there. could this be if their not using mff ?

i can confirm  it is phpBB3

this is the site    http://deadhaunted.com/phpbb3/
Symon

poohpants wrote:
going back to the smile issue, ive seen another forum which looks like phpBB3  going just on the loooks and layout and they have smilie on there. could this be if their not using mff ?

i can confirm  it is phpBB3

this is the site    http://deadhaunted.com/phpbb3/


Of course phpbb3 have smiles, but myff has not at this point.

Smiles are not in a  major high on the agenda list, getting the forums working and all major bugs are.
admin (no pm's please)

Not clear what you mean?

A phpbb3 system has more smilies than we have installed?

A phpbb3 system has an advanced smiley system with subdirectories like we have on phpbb2.

As continually stated, we are not adding stuff to phpbb3 in a hurry, so we are not adding the advanced system, and therefor adding unorganized smilies would be a mess.

This is getting boring, going over the same ground again and again
poohpants

i was only asking as i didnt know if it phpbb3 in general or just myff.  sorry it bores you
BjornkeGeish

poohpants wrote:
i was only asking as i didnt know if it phpbb3 in general or just myff.  sorry it bores you


It is MYFF. I undertsand there need for getting thngs done that are higher on the list first. Bugs and a WORKING forum come first. Then all the little stuf like Smilies come second. I Though originally that I had done something wrong to not get smilies...now I know it is MYFF
Nick(NR)

BjornkeGeish wrote:
poohpants wrote:
i was only asking as i didnt know if it phpbb3 in general or just myff.  sorry it bores you


It is MYFF. I undertsand there need for getting thngs done that are higher on the list first. Bugs and a WORKING forum come first. Then all the little stuf like Smilies come second. I Though originally that I had done something wrong to not get smilies...now I know it is MYFF


You say that like were at fault? last time I checked there are no smiley hacks for phpbb3 as of yet, so this is not just MYFF, but anyone running phpbb3 as a whole, those who host their own phpbb3 forums have access to all folders of their install and can manually change the images.
admin (no pm's please)

Again I feel the need to explain that this is not simply a matter of "priority", if it were more would be being done to phpbb3, the issue is that anything done before a bug fix release of phpbb3 may cause us (and therefore our members) a lot of problems.

phpbb3 work is probably next on the agenda though, but it will not be smilies, it will probably be the idea of restricting editing to the template copied to myff slots, and making image uploads go to those slots. No one objected when that was raised as an idea.
BjornkeGeish

i didn't say you were at fault! I just meant that you haven't accessed the files yet or done the work to get smilies. Geez....no one around here is ever nice.....I am beggining to not like the MYFF staff, symon sets good examples, but Nick, you are rude. I ahven't seen enough from Admin, so he is neutral, but prolly nicer then you Nick.
Nick(NR)

BjornkeGeish wrote:
i didn't say you were at fault! I just meant that you haven't accessed the files yet or done the work to get smilies. Geez....no one around here is ever nice.....I am beggining to not like the MYFF staff, symon sets good examples, but Nick, you are rude. I ahven't seen enough from Admin, so he is neutral, but prolly nicer then you Nick.


hmmmmmmm, how long have you been here?, have you gone through all the past posts where I have openly helped people endlessly and I'm sure many will vouch for that, I'm not a rude person, you just have a nack of making me rude towards you, it's not something I aim to do, but today alone I've deleted at least 8 posts of yours that were unhelpful and more confusing to a members problem, you'll also notice that if symon is already helping a member get to the finish I wont post for the reason of adding confusion to the topic, I do however check it and add where symon may rarely stumble.

If deleting the odd post here and there is rude, then I'm going to hell (not that I didn't already know that, but that's another story of personal beliefs)
BjornkeGeish

It seems like only my posts are ever deleted.....That is unfair...I ahve tried to help people all my life!

What is this all about!

You just lost a member!

I tried too hard for this crap!
Nick(NR)

BjornkeGeish wrote:
It seems like only my posts are ever deleted.....That is unfair...I ahve tried to help people all my life!

What is this all about!

You just lost a member!

I tried too hard for this crap!


What on earth are you on about, other peoples posts have gone walkies for their unhelpfullness, so it isn't just you?

Stop taking things so damn personally
BjornkeGeish

Are you suggesting I just stay and not take things so personally?? Fine, Then I will stay.....but come on...what is the deal with you delelting all my posts for no reason??

Is this really nessary!  Explain to me why you delete all my posts!
admin (no pm's please)

I can't comment on the exact motives, but I have been tempted to delete some of your posts myself.

There has been pointless end of thread spam, and worse still wrong answers being posted


The way to make a good impression round here, is with quality posts that reduce the workload of people trying to help, not a large quantity of posts with a liberal dashing of wrong answers!
BjornkeGeish

what is spam defined to you as?? I am not gargling around just posting a link to my forum or just typing in crap!

I see no way I am spamming!
admin (no pm's please)

When I visit this forum and see half a dozen or more posts with an end of thread post by a new member then it is spam, and you have been spamming a lot.
BjornkeGeish

ohh, I didn't know that was called "Spam" by you. Then I will stop. Sorry guys about that.
Nick(NR)

admin (no pm's please) wrote:
I can't comment on the exact motives, but I have been tempted to delete some of your posts myself.

There has been pointless end of thread spam, and worse still wrong answers being posted


The way to make a good impression round here, is with quality posts that reduce the workload of people trying to help, not a large quantity of posts with a liberal dashing of wrong answers!


no motives, you basically answered why I was removing certain posts, I wasn't too bothered by the end of thread stuff tbh any new member may bring the odd old topic back to give their view on something, can't help but expect that, just the wrong or at least misleading answers being given at times, with this being an example and this wasn't even me: http://forum.myfreeforum.org/about13943.html
poohpants

would mow be a good time to ask about these smilies.........................................  lol   only joking..  i couldnt resist it sorry.
i love the phpBB3 system and would not look back and i understand the importance of prioritiesing (sprelling??) the important stuff.

keep up the good work dudes.

p.s  hurry up with those smilies   lol   (joking again)
Novaris

......smilies....?  Wink

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