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| New1 |
Nasty ForumJust stumbled on this place this morning:N word http://tractors.myfreeforum.org/forum1.php porn http://tractors.myfreeforum.org/twins_about6594.html |
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| Bravo |
First link is just to a section with no direction whatsoever to any post. Not sure what I am suppost to be looking at. The 'N' word isn't on there at any rate.
Second link is naked women but not porn, bit of a grey area, up to admin to decide whether or not that is in breach of ToS. |
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| admin (no pm's please) |
If a forum has beyond an odd thread of such images, then it would be in breach of the conditions.
But this seems like a forum with a lot going on, and I see no real problems at this point. |
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| New1 |
I found it (N word) in many posts but a search has MANY hits
Here is one LINK |
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| Ziddy |
While that is baitent racism, im not sure it is in breach of the T&C's. Like admin said, "this seems like a forum with a lot going on" and the odd offensive word wouldnt be a reason to shut down a forum with over 100,000 posts. EDIT: After further reading i disregard my previous statement. It is obviously a forum based on racist views and discussion. It should be closed, or left to die. |
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| admin (no pm's please) |
It's nasty and hateful and I hope their forum dies for allowing such racist crap.
But it is not a "hate" site and if we extend the envelope to cover such posts, then we would create real issues. |
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| New1 |
Just the place where I want my name run down on a daily basis for no reason and i am not a member. Was just told that they were slandering me
http://tractors.myfreeforum.org/f...we_figure_he_s_gay_about6590.html |
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| admin (no pm's please) |
So we go from :
to you happening to spot they are saying something about you. Sorry but I don't buy that. reports that are tainted with a personal agenda are difficult to deal with. |
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| New1 |
Nope don't visit the place. Rather than a drawn out explanation kept it simple. I was emailed the link. Sorry if you allow racist crap thats your problem. | ||||
| Tilar |
And a newbie with an agenda gets a whole forum shut down? Amazing. |
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| admin (no pm's please) |
http://forum.myfreeforum.org/sutra118227.php#118227 | ||||
| Redman |
Re: Nasty Forum
Tony,you lie. |
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| Observer |
Re: Nasty Forum
Based on this type of post. This board should be removed immediately. http://tractors.myfreeforum.org/Niggers_about7799.html |
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| symon |
As said before one racist topic is not going to get a forum shut down,
It is not a hate site. This to me is just a thread started by stupid ignorant adolescents that need to grow up and get a life, it is nasty and childish and stinks of ignorance but thats all. If you dont like it i suggest you delete your membership and never return , voting with your feet will just leave the children to sit there bashing away amongst themselves, very sad but true. |
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| Observer |
If i were a paying advertiser of MFF i would ask for the forum to be removed or i would discontinue paying for advertising. |
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| symon |
You are of course entitled to your opinion, im not defending them in any way shape or form , i hate that thread as much as you, but we cant micro manage every forum , and one small thread that would go unnoticed if it wasn't for the reports is not going to affect the whole system. Again i suggest walking away from them |
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| admin (no pm's please) |
ditto,
We deal with hate sites instantly, but if we start to deal with poorly managed sites that tolerate crap we would rather they wouldn't, then we would have utter chaos in trying to do it, and all forum owners would find they were not owners at all, but micro managed and subject to the whims of overworked myff mods and admins struggling to cope. |
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| Full Tilt Boogie |
Re: Nasty Forum
Having now read the above thread (see URL link above), whether the original poster 'stumbled up on' this Bash site or not, the owners/Admins at 'The Bash' are, on this evidence, patently just a bunch of redneck hicks - you can hear the Duelling Banjos as you read the above thread, it's woeful. I'm only surprised they haven't got a forum heading "You Aint From Round These Parts, Are Ya Boy?" Any way, as a tribute, here's the site's owners, Jed & Jethro, in all their glory: 
Apologies in advance to you, the MyFF Admins/Mods, but if these Bash guys are producing threads like the one at the link above, then they should expect to be satirised by those who are not in the practise of marrying close family members; but I will understand if you want to remove the above wedding portrait of the happy couple on their honeymoon... |
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| Full Tilt Boogie |
You both raise very valid points - and worth repeating and expanding on here so that our US cousins might understand the quandary in which they find themselves. Whilst the US enshrines the freedom of expression in its Constitution & Bill of Rights, you have to remember that MyFF is a UK-based, owned & administered organisation. That makes it subject to the laws of the land of the UK, not those of the US. And it's worth noting that we here in the UK have a document which guarantees us the right to speak our mind which is just a few years older than either the US Bill of Rights or the Constitution - it's called the Magna Carta, and it was signed in 1215 (that's a year, not a quarter passed midday  ).
And yet that same US guarantee to the freedom of expression has to be played, too, against the ironic and paradoxical fact that various pernicious elements in the US at one stage chose to remove certain words, like 'nigger' from US dictionaries (although under whose authority and bidding they did this is still a mystery). This is a very dangerous trend. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you can try and expunge its existence (again, history is littered with examples of this practise) - neither can you dis-invent something; and when you think that you can become the guardian of the language and begin to censor certain words & phrases (where does that stop?), just because you might find them offensive, then you take the same attitudes and mentality as those who burn books. An even more dangerous trend. Alas, a freedom of expression all but guarantees that good manners and courtesy for others' sensitivities will be, at some stage, abused and affronted - but such is the price of liberty, and, as Voltaire said: "Sir, I may not agree with your views, but I shall fight to the death for the right for you to hold/express them..." As Symon said - vote with your feet and leave the hicks to play with their tractors. |
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| admin (no pm's please) |
Well each to their own views on the right of freedom of speech, but I'm not fighting for the rights of racists to have freedom of expression.
But I am keen on freedom of speech as a principle, and in the rights of people to manage their own corner of the web under their own responsibility. For this to happen we have to have a set of boundaries that reasonable people can understand and see us apply openly and fairly. I guess some people will say that limited freedom of speech is a hypocrisy, and some will go the opposite way and say we should close down forums that let anything nasty slip past them  In other words we will never please all of the people all of the time.
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| CK |
Here we go again...
I am the admin of The Bash. I can't prove it, but this is smelling of another attempt by a recently removed member to get the board shut down. This time he's even gone so far as to spoof "Observer" (a member of my board.) Why do I think it is him? Since kicking him out I have recieved nasty PM's from him on another forum that we both frequent. PM's saying how my board will be shut down. This person has caused nothing but trouble for me since the day I started the board. (12/08/2005) I finally had enough and kicked him out. I can't help but notice how "Observer" felt the need to post his complaint in this thread instead of starting another one.... an attempt to hide his attempt to have the board shut down?? I appreciate the MFF owners keeping a level head on this subject. I know to the casual observer the board looks like it has a bunch of rednecks. Maybe it does. BTW, real mature of you there, "Full Tilt Boogie". I suppose posting that makes you better than them, right? Anyway, I challenge those of you that are slamming The Bash to take a closer look at all the threads. You'll see alot of good topics too. Just like most every board I've ever been on there are good and there are bad topics, as well as good and bad posters. I beg of you to not condemn us because one or two bad apples has a personal vendetta against us. For the record, just because I don't delete a topic, that does NOT mean I agree with it. I'm sure alot of you have heard off color/bad taste jokes in real life. Do you go whining to the authorities every time you hear one? I doubt it. Chad |
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| CK |
I, The Admin, have deleted his membership. That's why he's here trying to get us closed down. It seems to be a damned-if-I-do, damned-if-I-don't situation. He stays, I get shut down because of crap, I kick him out, he stirs even more crap and I get shut down. What exactly is it I should do? Forbid some guys from telling bad jokes?? Where does it end? |
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| symon |
If you stick with in the rules then no amount of petty stirring will get you shut down. Admin does not act with a knee jerk reaction. |
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| CK |
I agree. I as an admin don't let emotion rule my decisions and I do my best to think things thru before acting. I'm just getting tired of a few people trying to get my board shut down because they don't like what they read. Since I kicked him off, I have deleted on average, one username every other day that I feel is started by the troublemaker that I kicked off. Alot of those usernames have profanity in them or are slanderous insults to some of my members. |
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| admin (no pm's please) |
I might point out that if memory serves me correctly you have not been contacted by us over this thread.
If we consider a complaint places a forum in jeopardy, but not so fat outside of the rules to warrant instant closure, then we will contact the forum owner. If you have not been contacted when we have not consider the complaint worth wasting anyones time over. I might also say that I am unhappy with some of what has been allowed on your forum  But we will not interfere unless it is actually breaking the T&C.
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| CK |
You are correct. I'm just trying to do a little preventative maintainance is all. I know my forum is questionable to some, I don't pretend to think that I can please everyone. |
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| Bravo |
I read that thread and it didn't seem too bad, a lot of poor taste jokes, not many of them funny for my own taste but I am sure I laugh at a lot of things others would find distinctly unfunny.
Then again I am a great believer in words are just that, words. If someone calls me a 'c', then they might as well have called me a 'silly sausage', the end result is exactly the same, I've been called a 'word'. Any word has to be taken within the context of the person using it, and why they are using it. An example of the word 'jewish'. 1: 'Oh a lovely jewish family has moved in next door, they have three beautiful kids. 2: A Nazi in 1943: 'Dirty rotten jewish swine. Same word, different meanings. It's still just a word. When I was growing up, most of the older generation of people used different words to describe people of different races. For example, one man of that generation was a certain Spike Milligan. He was born in India, he loved the Indian people very dearly, certain members of that particular race, he referred to as 'wogs'. This is a word that would these days be considered a trifle risky but I guarantee there was never one ounce of malice in his use of the word (I've just read 7 of his books so I do know a little of the subject). Older generation folk also referred to certain races using the 'n' word and again I know they never meant any harm by it, it was simply an adjective to them. It was only later that it became associated with slavery that people suddenly thought it could perhaps cause offense. Having said that, it does appear to cause some offense (though again my own experience of many black friends over the years who did not at all find the word offensive), so it would be 'nice to be nice' and not use it. Just my two pennorth
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