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admin (no pm's please)
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kidsfollowing on from this thread about children being admins:
http://forum.myfreeforum.org/about11855.html&highlight=
I thought I mention this story, I did a college entry interview with my 16 year old daughter Wednesday, it was and she knew it beforehand a foregone success, there was no way she would not be offered a place, all the same I cringed throughout and actually ended up speaking for her a few times (very unusual for me).
The poor interviewer on asking things like what did you think of the college at the open evening got a dismissive "it's a college" as a reply and and generally struggled to get anything other than a casual dismissive attitude
I was caught by surprise by this, so it had not occurred to me to give a list of interview rules before hand.
1) Have some questions.
2) Have a few vaguely related anecdotes, you can generally use a question by the interviewer to relate one of them, and thus appear casually articulate.
3) Always appear very interested in getting the place/job.
The lesson here is that no matter how bright a child is, they do have gaps in their life experiences and are liable to make mistakes .
Being a forum admin is also a learning curve about the use of authority, the judgment of character and the ability to say NO to requests from friends for admin powers, it is inevitable that children are typcially going to struggle more than adults.
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Symon
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I know the feeling...
My 16 year old son who is not stupid, went for a job interview awhile back, and one question asked was why do you want to work for us..
His response was,,,
well i sent out loads of application and you were the only one to reply back to me....
Sometimes honest is not the best policy
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Bravo
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You have to love the pure innocent honesty in their answers though...sometimes interviewers think they are interviewing for the best job in the world or something.
I saw an article in a recruitment magazine a while back and some presumptuous tart wrote an article about how she interviewed people. She said she made them name 10 uses for a kettle (among other equally absurd things)...I would state one use as 'to hit interviewers over the head with who ask stupid questions' (maybe).
Asking this sort of absurd, fashionable question just gets you a set of staff who are good at answering stupid questions as opposed to a bunch of staff who are actually good at their job!
I am absolutely crap at the whole CV and poncey interview thing, over the years I have had jobs earning over £40,000 per annum and not had to do an interview for them. I've worked abroad after a quick call to whoever has been organising the labour...a few details and I'll see you on site! In my job, it becomes apparent very quickly if you dont know what you are doing, so they simply tell you to bugger off if you arent up to scratch.
10 uses for a kettle?
1. Making the tea.
2. Hitting people over the head with.
It must have been binary 10.....
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admin (no pm's please)
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| Bravo wrote: | | You have to love the pure innocent honesty in their answers though.... |
There was something like that in this case.
I also went to the open evening and nothing really stood out about the place, and Helen didn't really have any questions to ask as she knows that it is where she wants to go (it is quite a top college) based on what she has learnt about it already.
Of course despite this the technique should have been to respond to a question about the open evening with some regurgitated facts about how good the college results are (which they are). It would not actually have been an answer to the question asked, but at least it would not have been offhand and dismissive.
At an interview you simply have to play the game, it makes it pretty hard on the interviewer if you do not.
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Bravo
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In a previous job I was the interviewer, and I would have loved those answers as opposed to the pure bullcraft that some people give...I would have set em on straight away.
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admin (no pm's please)
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| Bravo wrote: | | In a previous job I was the interviewer, and I would have loved those answers as opposed to the pure bullcraft that some people give...I would have set em on straight away. |
I have only done a few interviews from that site of the table, and whilst you do not want a cartload of bullcrap you do want to be able to engage a little and that requires a little more than monosyllabic answers
As an interviewee I figure I have been offered jobs from 80% of interviews, and that statistic include a couple of jobs where I pretty much said no way I'm working for you in the interview
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Bravo
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Once had this in an interview:
Him: Do you have a criminal record?
Me: Not at all.
Him: Really?
Me: No, I don't have a criminal record.
Him: A pipefitter with no criminal record is quite unusual.
Me, my voice raising a smidge: What are you trying to say?
Him: So you don't have a criminal record then?
Me: No I don't!
Him: I can check you know.
Me: Check all you want, I don't have one!
At that point the company owner, who up to then had just been listening in, interrupted the (turned out to be a total git as you probably fathomed) person interviewing me...
Owner: Do you know Mr Sheridan?
Me: I know Kevin very well, have done for years.
Owner: This young chap will do for me.
And that was the end of the interview lol
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Nick(NR)
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Amazingly when I was interviewed for my job six years ago, at the age of 17, I was never asked why I wanted to work more a case of told by the manager that he envy's young guys for not wanting to go and other jobs that are in reality only slightly better, but six years on and I'm now in a new role, more money and a better shift time of 6am-2pm. While I still maintain the job itself isn't really much better, I am in a better position than I was before, oh and I get three weekends off in four
I'm pretty skilled with pc's and get asked occasionally why I don't go and do a job with pc's(example: office jockey), I always maintain that someone like me being that interested in something, should never be my job as I will get tired of it, I love it when I finish work knowing I can push the power button and do some more work to the slowly mounting templates I have created that are still in need of finishing, knowing full well I wont get bored.
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Sapp
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| Symon wrote: | I know the feeling...
My 16 year old son who is not stupid, went for a job interview awhile back, and one question asked was why do you want to work for us..
His response was,,,
well i sent out loads of application and you were the only one to reply back to me....
Sometimes honest is not the best policy |
Lol, most companies would just see that as humor.
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xbutterfly16x
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| admin (no pm's please) wrote: | | Bravo wrote: | | You have to love the pure innocent honesty in their answers though.... |
There was something like that in this case.
I also went to the open evening and nothing really stood out about the place, and Helen didn't really have any questions to ask as she knows that it is where she wants to go (it is quite a top college) based on what she has learnt about it already.
Of course despite this the technique should have been to respond to a question about the open evening with some regurgitated facts about how good the college results are (which they are). It would not actually have been an answer to the question asked, but at least it would not have been offhand and dismissive.
At an interview you simply have to play the game, it makes it pretty hard on the interviewer if you do not. |
Definately but that obviously comes with experience.
My first interview was with the 6th form I am in now, which I managed to get a place in, and was offered the place there almost straight after the interview. It's one of the best 6th forms in my area and I didn't expect to get the place at all.. They obviously had all the year 11 students who had attended the school from their first year on the priority list, and me coming from another school I did think I didn't stand a chance.. The interviewer told me the truth and said "You're GCSE results are enough to get you in" which did put me at ease a little!
So it was easier to answer the questions in the interview and it does help if your interviewer has a good sense of humour and is understanding that it's not easy! It also didn't help that in my practice interview, I managed to get the most patronising idiot as my interviewer which but me off even looking at a sixth form application form.
Even at 17 now, I'd be alot more confident going into an interview now then I was last year. Which just comes down to growing up!
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admin (no pm's please)
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Clearly you did practice and did try and do well, and that paid off.
Most things do get easier with experience, even if they may never get pleasant.
What matters is recognizing you need to put effort in to things and doing so.
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andykm
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Re: kids | admin (no pm's please) wrote: |
The lesson here is that no matter how bright a child is, they do have gaps in their life experiences and are liable to make mistakes .
Being a forum admin is also a learning curve about the use of authority, the judgment of character and the ability to say NO to requests from friends for admin powers, it is inevitable that children are typcially going to struggle more than adults. |
Do you think (or are you implying) that this means, kids who cannot say No should not have that amount of power? If they manage to create a good forum, and give admin power to friends, who might in turn blab and give it (password and account name) to others, their work is pretty much lost. I for one, would like to have my best bud be my right hand man, but then again, Im not a child, and niether are my pals.
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