[pixie]

http://carers.myfastforum.org/index.php

The above forum has been set up purely to ridicule and make fun of carers.
It has not be set up to build a commumity but to build hatred for carers.

Carers may be caring for a dying relative a child or a husband, wife etc.
Carers do not need this sort of harrassment on top of their caring roles.
I know that I don't and I see no need for such a forum to continue.

It is a form of hate site as well as discrimmination against a particular part of the community.
A part that does a very valuable job of caring for a loved one for a pittence of just over £50 per week.

They copy and paste from other forums.
They target several carers including myself but use slightly different names. Myself and the other carers "picked on" know our OKCarers names.
They have explained one of the names and how it came about and stated the
name of the carer too.
They also use another carers surname so it is obvious who it is.
They continually accuse another carer of theift and make comments about his
carees health and general difficulties that she has.
They make personal comments about how we look and post pictures of
nasty faces and call them by our names.
The list is endless.

I have posted many links here which cover some of the things but not all.
I have tried to make a complaint before but I was told that I had to do it publically here.
I find this really hard to do as I feel extremely vulnerable after what some of the other carers have been through due to this group of carer haters.

Well I have made my complaint now so I will expect some not so nice things to happen to me too.

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Re_News_Of_The_Day_about659.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Talking_Dirty_about671.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Ignorance_is_bliss_about672.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Naming_Names_about677.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Fas...y_of_show_business__about665.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Rit...pal_Ate_My_Receipts_about679.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Conspiracy_theorists_about684.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Evi..._to_a_good_argument_about685.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Joe_C_about660.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Yes_we_did_it__about691.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Don...y_hat_site_official_about697.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Sandy_Liar_about698.html

[admin (no pm's please)]

This all falls on totally death ears. We have been subject to continual harassment by Clive, vindicating the motives of those that ridicule him  and his associates.

I have lost track of the number of threats we have received from Clive and our response now is to ignore complaints. His has threatened us with his so called lawyers many times, and guess what it never happens.

[pixie]

So I took my life in my hands here to make a complaint and you are telling me that it is going to be ignored.

[admin (no pm's please)]

Let me be plain, by associating with someone I know from our own experience to be guilty of bullying and general harassment, your own credibility is reduced to zero. I have absolutely no reason to believe you at all.

The site in question has threads that are generally jokey, intended to reduce a bully to a laughing stock. I have no evidence of anything else and see making a bully look a fool no bad thing at all.

[pixie]

You have just accussed me of lying!!

You have also accussed me of being a bully as I am also laughed at on that forum

I'm sure the other lady will also be interested to hear she is a bully too in your eyes.

So even with all the links I sent you there is no evidence to suggest a hate site against carers?

I used to run a genuine carers forum here which won a prize in your competition.

My forum was doing very well for my first venture. I was so proud to be associated with this company and running my forum here.

I had well over 100 members and it was run correctly according to your TOS.

I found I was being made a mockery of by this other forum despite wanting to help carers like myself and you won't even listen to my complaint.

I have closed my forum down now as I don't feel I can be associated with this company any more. You have no heart and obviosuly don't care about others feelings.

[admin (no pm's please)]

I base things on the facts before me.

On the one hand a clear record of bullying and harassment, on the other hand some mockery of the person responsible and his supporters.

Maybe that is guilt by association, and maybe a mocking site is not a good site, but all I can go on is what I know to be true.

I note that you do not comment on my statement that Clive is a harassing bully! I know that as a fact, and I don't like bullies or people who support them.

[pixie]

Ok fair enough you have obviously made your mind up regardless of my complaint.

You would rather lose a prize winning forum and keep a forum that mocks others.

I mean carers in general.

You claim to have proof of bullying but don't provide it. That is contrary to what you have asked from me.

Anyone who complains has to show proof but you can just state you have proof without showing it to be true.

I know you own this so therefore you can do as you wish. Obviously it means it is one rule for you and one for us.

I was hoping for a fair hearing and a thorough investigation of my complaint. I would expect that from any good company concerned for good customer relations, but alas this company seems to lack that.

I am sorry I bothered you with my valid complaint of hatered against a part of the community that provides care for sick and dying relatives.

I will know in future and be wary of company's such as this that have no "real" customer service.

[admin (no pm's please)]

Why in the world would I have any prior bias in these matters?

I can't recall just what the first complaint Clive made was, but it transpired very quickly that whilst complaining about others, his own methods were those of trying to bully and intimidate us, a pattern that has recurred in dozens of emails from him over more than a year. At the time of the original complaint I did a web search and found that this pattern was well established.

It is clear to anyone looking that Clive is a bully and a menace to anyone trying to help carers organize.

I have on the other hand had reasonable exchanges with the admin of the mockery site.

So from my point of view I see a bully and his supporters objecting to being mocked.

[pixie]

My point is that you are not listening to my complaint.

I am not Clive and I am not a bully or a liar. You seem to insist on accusing me of being both.

I have run a successful carers forum and I also work with around 100 charities throughout
the UK and a couple overseas to fundraise. I have 3 disabled children and I suffer disabilities myself due to 30 years of being a carer.

All I do know about the owner of the "hate site" is that he makes fun of and ridicules carers. And not just on his own forum either.
He was a member on my forum too but I removed him as a couple of my members had already suffered his mockery on other carer forums and I didn't want that happening on mine as well.

I'm sorry you don't feel that you can listen and take on board my complaint as it is a valid complaint.

No worries, like I say I know now that I did the right thing closing down my forum and I most certainly will not recommend this company to others.

Thank you for your time.

[admin (no pm's please)]

The threads you have posted are at least primarily about Clive, a legitimate target for mockery.

If your complaint did not place you as an associate of Clive then it might have carried more weight.

Frankly I have told the admin of the mockery site that I think it is passed its sell by date and they should close it down. Given a legitimate sounding complaint I would take action and close it down. All you have provided is something that just comes across as another Clive ploy.

Adding emotional blackmail to the mix cuts no ice with me.

[pixie]

I'm sorry you took my details about me in the wrong way.

I was mearly giving you some background to show that I am not Clive and to show that I do have some credibility. And was not in any way intended as emotional blackmail. I'm not that type of person but it is always helpful to have some background as well.

I have seen with my own eyes in various places around the internet the damage to ordinary carers that this "hate Site" has caused. It has split the carer community and driven a wedge between ordinary carers. So much so that a protest to the government has a distinct lack of support from many carers as people are too fearful to become involved in case they become a target on the "hate site".

Obviously we have no idea what is on the closed parts of the forum and can only assume it is worse than what is in the public domain.

If the forum were to close the carer community would not be in fear of ridicule any more and the protests to gain a better standard of living for carers everywhere would be worth being involved with.

Let the owner of the "hate site" and Clive slog it out between them instead of impacting on other carers fearful of hate.

I hope you will feel that my complaint is legitimate sounding enough to close the forum down.

[admin (no pm's please)]

To be a legitimate complaint there would need to be evidence of this site attacking people other than Clive and the people who have tarred themselves with the same brush by supporting him. Note that there is also a line between mockery and hate, this line is a tricky one and I will be the first to say that this site is in a grey area.

The very fact that you post links that were about Clive and seemingly do not recognize what an abusive bully he is, can only undermine your case.

Give us evidence that is not tainted and we may well act.

[pixie]

I guess I have no choice but to give up then as most of the posts about others were removed some time ago, just before Christmas.

Some of the forum is hidden so the posts maybe on there but obviously I have no idea as I cannot access that area.

You really do expect a great deal from complainents, especially when you already have misgivings about the forum and it's purpose and claim the forum is within a grey area for hate/mockery.

The links I posted also included myself another lady and another man.

But you claim that we don't count, implying that it's OK to mock and push hatred at us.

We are still human beings who have feelings and who try to help carers as much as we can.

Myself and the other lady mentioned run very successful carers forums that support and help other carers as much as possible.

I am happy to give you a link to mine if you want to see for yourself that I am just an ordinary person living a different sort of life due to my caring role.

Anyway I have enjoyed our little chat regardless of being called a liar and a bully but I am now running out of energy so I will leave it there and hope that one day the forum will close down.

Here's my forum by the way just in case you want to see who I am am :

http://www.carersforum.co.uk/forum/index.php


Thanks you for your time and attention admin.

[admin (no pm's please)]

I have not called you anything.

I have said perhaps harshly that by posting links about Clive (a known bully) that your credibility is zero.

In response you have been somewhat abusive to us, but that is no big deal.

What you have not done, is to either present any actionable material or to seperate yourself from Clive. You continue to seem to me to be aligned to a known bully, and for me that is the defining fact in what has been posted here.

[pixie]

I'm sorry but I thought this was closed now as I have said I give up.

You are still asking me for proof but are still not providing any yourself.

Why do you have to keep mentioning Clive, because I am not Clive.

My complaint about the "hate site" is my complaint.

I have already closed my forum down

as I was too afraid to complain here publically for fear of even more ridicule aimed at me.

It is upsetting to see and to know that others view it.

You have actually implied that I am a liar and a bully. It is all here in print for all to see!!

So you can see that my fear of complaining publically has been realised in this thread.

The links I have posted also include myself and several other carers.

The forum was not set up to create a community it was set up to ridicule and mock carers.

There is nothing more I can say because although you admit yourself that the forum operates within a grey area and that you have informed the site owner that in your opinion the forum has run it's course, you still insist on treating me as if I'm a trouble maker.

I am making a legitimate complaint and I expect a fair hearing and action to remedy my complaint.

I am a carer who is also disabled and have enough to do with my time than cause trouble for others. (that was stated to reinforce my status and not for sympathy).

I would like you to show me where I have been abusive to you as that is not in my nature and I cannot see anywhere in this thread that that has been the case.

I have stated my case and as my case is being rejected and I'm being accused of being abusive as well as a bully and a liar.

All of this for making a legitimate complaint.

[Bravo]

You are ignoring the fact tha Admin has been the victim of a sustained assault via email etc for quite a long time from a representative of your forum.  Admin is only human and can only take so much, so I think it would be expecting a little too much for him to step in to your forums defence!

He has already stated that he has sent a message to this mock forum that it is probably time to put a line under it and still you are expecting more.

I understand how it could be upsetting for you, as you are somewhat caught in the middle of a terrible situation, but you must try and see things from other people's point of view.

[admin (no pm's please)]

If this is not in anyway a complaint by proxy from Clive, then why does it seem to be largely about him?

I do not feel the need to trawl the email archives for all the empty threats we have had from Clive, and I find it hard to believe that his associate do not know how he behaves.

I also believe regulars here will trust me on that one.

You can either let it drop or give us evidence we can act on. If you choose to do neither then I reserve my right to reply to your posts.

[pixie]

[admin (no pm's please)]

None of your complaint showed any evidence of an attack on your forum.

All you posted were links that mocked Clive and his associates on one of his forums. Which as I have said cuts little ice with me.

So there is no legitimate complaint here to act on.

[pixie]

I have never mentioned an attack on my forum.

I have mentioned personal attacks against myself and other carers though.

I really give up here as I have already stated.

I have made a legitimate complaint and I am the person in the wrong.

I am sorry but you are so way off here but there is so little point in me wasting what precious energy I have by arguing with you.

This is your forum and you have every right to do whatever you want regardless of anyone elses feelings or complaints.

I have stated before that I am leaving it at that but obviously you seem to want to carry it on.

Please let this drop now and move on with your life. I'm sure you have better things to do than spend all day here arguing with someone who is alledgedly abusive a bully and a liar.

[admin (no pm's please)]

You have done little to establish that you are not just a proxy for a known bully, and have provided nothing but your own word as evidence.

That does not make for a legitimate complaint.

[pixie]

You seem insistent that I am not acting on my own behalf.

I have a mind of my own and when I decided to complain

it was my decision alone.

Clive is not even aware of this complaint.

The owner of the "hate site" has accused me in the past of taking orders from Clive

so that makes it appear to me that you are taking instruction from him.

Can you please provide me with your line managers contact details as this has gone far

enough.

If anyone is being abusive then that is you and I am not prepared to be accussed and abused with no evidence whatsoever.

1) I am not Clive.
2) I am not acting on instructions from Clive or anyone.
3) I have closed my forum down. http://carersforum.myfineforum.org/
because you host a "hate site".

Moderated: 1
link removed

5) Clive is not a member of either of these forums.
6) I am not a bully
7) I am not being abusinve.
8 ) I am not a liar.

I make a legitamate complaint and I am accused of all these things.

What a way for a complany to operate.

Please provide the details of your higher management/line manage/supervisor so that I can take this further as I am not prepared to be treated in this way.

[admin (no pm's please)]

For someone with no energy to pursue with, you sure are making a lot of posts!

Your word alone as I have made plain counts for little, you are tainted by association. If you don't like that then don't associate with known bullies.

If you provide evidence it will be acted on, if not then we will continue to go around in circles.

There is no one else you can complain to.

[pixie]

[admin (no pm's please)]

No one has said any lies about you, merely opinions.

A link to a forum which is not Clive's says nothing to disprove an association that was made evident by the links originally posted as evidence.

No other evidence has been provided despite me continually asking.

I am not about to shut anyone forum down because someone says I should without providing evidence.

[Excalibur]

All of the members of OKcarers have been the victims of sustained and extreme forms of harassment by Clive who is in turn encouraged by the four other members remaining on his ukcarers forum, one of whom is Pixie.

OKcarers exists to provide a mutual support network, share information, co-ordinate efforts to stop the bullying, let off steam and make fun of the Trolls in an attempt to diminish their ability to dominate debates. Pixie's real name is not mentioned on OKcarers, no personal information about her has ever been shared on the open or closed boards, but we are all baffled why she would support a man who routinely threatens to inform my local social services that my disabled son is at risk, (he isn't) and has already written several times to my wife and colleagues for no other reason than to bully me into submission. As the parent of a disabled child herself, it beggars belief that she can support a troll like Clive who will stop at nothing to get his own way.

Pixie is a member of that site and is therefore an apologist for Clive. The material on Clive's own site is grossly offensive, including personal and sensitive information, photos, copyright material and falsehoods about named individuals. It has been taken out several times, and will probably be taken out again. If she can remain a member of that forum then she should not be surprised if she is treated somewhat frostily whenever she appears above the parapet on any public forums such as this one.

However, as the editor of OKcarers, I have voluntarily decided to close the remaining open part of the forum to non-members for the moment, as whilst none of the content is in breach of the TACs I agree that the content might be perceived as tasteless or offensive by people unaware of the background to this struggle. I trust that Pixie will use what influence she may have as a mod on Clive's Board to remove all personal and offensive material and names, as in my view and that of OKcarers members the ukcarers site is a disgrace to the carers movement.

[admin (no pm's please)]

Thank you for that post. I will say again publically what I have said to you privately, that I no longer think your forum serves a constructive purpose. But it is not the role of myff to shut down forums simply because we don't think they are doing any good.

If you stay within the terms and conditions your forum will remain open.

[pixie]

http://okcarers.blogspot.com/search/label/LYNNE%20ACKERS%20Pixie

This link shows the sort of harrasment that I am having to endure because I complained about a site that attacks carers.

This is my photo and my real name alongside my username.
This story was covered by the BBC and the photo is my property. It is also my facebook photo which was what the BBC asked for.

Please understand this is my family, my children and grandchildren being attacked.
They are disabled so discrimination is high up on my list of words to use.
We have also just had a death of my father in law so now also care for my mother in law as she is disabled.

I have not attacked anyone. I have voiced an opinion but not in any way maliciously as I believe that disagreeing with someone can be done in a respectable manner without resorting to personal attacks.

This is a personal attack on myself and my family and it is being carried out by the owners and members of the Hate site.

But I know you won't do anything and I also know that I will be yet again accused of emotional blackmail, guilty by association etc.

I do like to think that most people are good so I live in hope that you will do something.

[admin (no pm's please)]

That content is not even on one of our forums.