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DaughterUK

How do I make it so only over 18s can join?

Hi everyone,

I realise that this is controversial (and yes, I DID ask the admin before setting this forum up), but I recently set up a forum for the incest community. So far all is going very well and I have 9 members (4 days in this is promising IMO). Before anyone asks my second admin and my mod are vehemently anti-pedophile, if you don't believe me check my forum for yourself:

http://daughteruksworld.myfreeforum.org/index.php

One thing however does bug me. When somebody comes to register it asks them if they're 13 or over, although my site rules say that members must be 18 or over. Does anyone know how I can change this so that I do not get underage people posting on the forums? The last thing I need is underage posters.
myff admin

I might add that judgment is still out on this one, as I don't really know what you plan.

A search on "age" reveals answers.
DaughterUK

admin (no pm's please) wrote:
I might add that judgment is still out on this one, as I don't really know what you plan.

A search on "age" reveals answers.


I fully expect you to be keeping an eye on my forum, I expect nothing less. My intention will become clear to you as time progresses, the intent to create a forum for the incest community without the shi*t we have put up with on other forums. All I want to know is how to set it so that the message when newbies register says that they should be at least 18. Can you please help me on this?
myff admin

As I say just put age into the search at the top of the forum.
abc12345

Isn't incest completely illegal, and thus making this forum illegal?
myff admin

Discussing something illegal is not illegal.
abc12345

admin (no pm's please) wrote:
Discussing something illegal is not illegal.


But surely if the people posting in that forum relating to that topic, then if the police read, then these people will be punished?
DaughterUK

Jakequaza wrote:
admin (no pm's please) wrote:
Discussing something illegal is not illegal.


But surely if the people posting in that forum relating to that topic, then if the police read, then these people will be punished?


Actually that depends on many factors. For a start incest is not illegal in every country, it has been decriminalized in both France and the Netherlands. Also different countries have different legal definitions of incest. Futhermore law enforcement only has so much resources, most of these resources are put into tackling crimes which produce victims, examples would be burglary, murder, assault, fraud and child molestation.

The law against incest between consenting adults is both unconstitutional and entirely unenforcable, kind of like a law against singing in the shower. In my personal opinion incest between consenting adults should not be penalized provided that the couple do not concieve, as the child would have to live with the stigma and quite likely have congenital abnormalities, therefore inbreeding should ALWAYS remain illegal as such a child would be in any sane persons eyes a victim.

As the admin said, having a discussion about incest is not illegal, only engaging in incestuous activity is in most countries. The primary objective of my forum is to create a space where ordinary people involved in these extraordinary relationships may discuss their life experiences with each other without either the judgement of the outside world, and without the porn-addicted losers which go to the incest porn sites which have a side-forum dedicated to incest. Those sites care more for the revenue they get from the pay-per-click adverts than they do for the actual community. Quite frankly the actual community finds those sites offensive at best.

Feel free to browse my forum, even if only to put your mind at ease as to who we are and what we are about. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Full Tilt Boogie

Jakequaza wrote:
admin (no pm's please) wrote:
Discussing something illegal is not illegal.


But surely if the people posting in that forum relating to that topic, then if the police read, then these people will be punished?


Doesn't work like that Jake mate.

As I understand DaughterUK's forum, it's more of a 'support group' and mutual nurturing forum for victims of incest, than merely a place where paedo's go for titillation and to get their warped kicks.

We'd all be in a very very poor and parlous state if victims' support groups were outlawed.

Even under this set of duplicitous cretins who currently govern us (at least until the next general election), and their zeal to remove as many of our liberties as they can, our rights to freedom and of expression and speech are still something for which the UK is famous.

Just because certain topics may be distasteful to some folks doesn't make them or discussion about them illegal.
myff admin

I think it is more about support for people in incestuous but really non abusive relationships. e.g. relationships that are in many places legal and where there are not victims.

I'm sure that will still offend many people, but forums are about freedom of speech and I deem this forum (at least by stated intent) to fall within the rights of freedom of speech.
Full Tilt Boogie

admin (no pm's please) wrote:
I think it is more about support for people in incestuous but really non abusive relationships. e.g. relationships that are in many places legal and where there are not victims.

I'm sure that will still offend many people, but forums are about freedom of speech and I deem this forum (at least by stated intent) to fall within the rights of freedom of speech.


I agree - as long as they are not setting out to hurt or upset others, then the topics of their discussions are largely their own business.

Although, if I've understood it/you correctly, and call me old fashioned, why anyone might want to be in an incestuous relationship is beyond me.  
symon

One simple question i have on this is how can you be sure they are 18 and over anyway ?

My 7yr old could tick a box saying he is over 18 when clearly he is not ?

You can change the wording of the sign up from 13 to 18 yourself, however as explained above it will not stop under 18s from joining.

My advice for the mean time is to make all new signs up admin activated, this way it is you who agrees if they can join or not.

You could when the requests come in email them asking for proof, apart from that , is see no clear logic way around this.

You would need to edit the

Code:
agreement.tpl


Change this part

Code:
{AGREE_OVER_13}


To something else for example

"you must be over 18 to join"
myff admin

Full Tilt Boogie wrote:


Although, if I've understood it/you correctly, and call me old fashioned, why anyone might want to be in an incestuous relationship is beyond me.  


Many people will have attitudes on whether such relationships can ever be healthy ones, or have "moral" attitudes that condemn such relationships, or for that matter a belief that the idea of victim-less incest is oxymoronic.

But the question here is only whether people should have a right to such a forum.
symon

admin (no pm's please) wrote:


But the question here is only whether people should have a right to such a forum.


I say yes if it is a support site etc,,

After all if we go down the line of its illegal so we cant discuss it, then we might as well close down

http://www.talktofrank.com/  = drug help for children

http://www.soon.org.uk/problems/suicide.htm  suicide help

And so on and so forth
symon

Of course it does as said above find the agreement.tpl and change it as explained.

If you dont know where the agreement .tpl is then you should be looking at HOWTODOIT

http://howtodoit.myfreeforum.org/...?component=content&topicid=18
Full Tilt Boogie

admin (no pm's please) wrote:
Full Tilt Boogie wrote:


Although, if I've understood it/you correctly, and call me old fashioned, why anyone might want to be in an incestuous relationship is beyond me.  


Many people will have attitudes on whether such relationships can ever be healthy ones,


I doubt you'll get any takers (with the possible exception of perhaps those engaged in such a relationship) who'd argue, with any seriousness, that an incestuous relationship might be deemed or considered in any way "healthy" - it's not like it's on a par with something as natural as being gay or left-handed; and it's not illegal simply because of Outraged of Surbiton's moral indignation - it's actively discouraged, 'frowned up on' and illegal because of the potential risks to any progeny created as a result of the union. Think 'Duelling Banjos' and you'll see what I mean.


Admin wrote:
But the question here is only whether people should have a right to such a forum.


Strictly speaking, no one has a "right" to such a (or indeed any) forum - fora not being a prerequisite of free speech, but merely emblematic of same.
Bravo

Full Tilt Boogie wrote:
Code:
{AGREE_OVER_13}


To something else for example

"you must be over 18 to join"

Great, now if we could just locate the above, and then translate it in to something which non-coders understand, and can achieve this in easy to follow steps, then we'd be off and running.

Does such an approach exist here?


The bits between those {} brackets refer in the code to something else, think of them as algebra.  So, you can remove those from the code and replace it with plain text along the lines of 'YOU MUST BE OVER 18 TO JOIN THIS FORUM'.

The difference is, you aren't getting them to click something stating this, and as Admin said, he wont allow changing of the algebra bits.
symon

Bravo wrote:


The difference is, you aren't getting them to click something stating this, and as Admin said, he wont allow changing of the algebra bits.


It will still be a clickerable link if you keep it within the code area

For example

Code:
<div align="center" class="genmed"><a href="{U_AGREE_OVER13}">Click here if you agree you are over 18</a><br />


would become

Full Tilt Boogie

Bravo wrote:
Full Tilt Boogie wrote:
Code:
{AGREE_OVER_13}


To something else for example

"you must be over 18 to join"

Great, now if we could just locate the above, and then translate it in to something which non-coders understand, and can achieve this in easy to follow steps, then we'd be off and running.

Does such an approach exist here?


The bits between those {} brackets refer in the code to something else, think of them as algebra.  So, you can remove those from the code and replace it with plain text along the lines of 'YOU MUST BE OVER 18 TO JOIN THIS FORUM'.

The difference is, you aren't getting them to click something stating this, and as Admin said, he wont allow changing of the algebra bits.


Aye, cheers Bravo, I'd bubbled as much - although with respect mate, I'm not sure that promoting the method of thinking in algebraic terms to solve this is going to be any more helpful than the in-house default mantra of "you need to learn coding" to someone who has no interest in either and just wants easily understandable set of instructions to sort this out.

As you personally know, as we've had this same conversation off-line in PM, my issue here (and that of others too) is that the process to resolve issues like this is barred by a poorly explained instructions:

From the How To Link wrote:
First off you need to be looking here Create one of your Forum Templates from an existing template in the first scroll bar you choose which template you wish to copy, say for example you wish the style used on this board which is called subsilver you would need to scroll down and find subsilver, then in the next scroll box choose myff_1 now press submit.


Now in all probability, the person who wrote the above has forgotten more about how to do this than I will ever know, and therein lies their problem - they are not thinking "Now how should I have written this for the absolute novice, those who will only ever do this once or twice in their life and never need to touch it again...?" And please don't make the mistake of thinking that just because there are those of us out there who cannot follow what's been written above that we're thick or stupid - we're not - we just want easily to follow and clear How To instructions.

So apart from the completely casual approach to any punctuation, the lack of any sentence clausal (subject/object) agreement, and the dyed-in-the-wool [yet incorrect] assumption that just about anyone reading it will understand it, we come back to my previous point: it's the unclear way in which these 'How To's are presented which a number of users here find frustrating and which prevent us from getting done the things we'd like to get done - and constantly being fobbed-off with "learn code" only exacerbates that issue.

This isn't personal guys, you have to understand that - it's about your 'customers' telling you that you need to address certain areas in promoting your product and making it easier for them to use/configure on their sites; as currently, you seem to go inordinate lengths simply to cut-paste links to How To's which sometimes are as clear as mud for the novice in these matters. And, in terms of customer satisfaction, you ignore this at your peril.

Problem is, no matter how many times that message is repeated here, or by whom, you trot out the same stock fob-offs and the customer gets no further, resulting their continued frustration.

So the question is, do you have anything more other to offer, in terms of meaningful help to the non-code literate novice, other than the stock mantra of "you need to learn code", or not?

Honest question.
symon

That guide has been up for many years and many 1000`s have followed it with only a handful coming back to ask for further instructions.


It is written in plain English for the novice user with step by step guides and many if not all guides have easy to follow pictures and hints.

To make a simple edit to a template is very easy once you have read the appropriate guide and most if not all are written for the complete beginner.

I have had many feedback from people that have never ever edited a forum before saying how easy it was following the guides, so im afraid your argument there does not stand up.

And in all probability i know the guides where written for the noivce in mind as i have spent hours making each guide based on it.
myff admin

This is a fruitless and old argument.

Templates ARE code, Template are all different. Therefore forum template edits do require a certain minimal effort to learn how that code hangs together.

If an instruction saying replace one clearly detailed bit of text such as {AGREEMENT} with the text you want to see, is too complicated, then you should not be editing templates at this stage.

Frankly I don't think it is too complicated for anyone who approaches the issue with a "can do" attitude.
Full Tilt Boogie

Symon wrote:
FTB wrote:


So the question is, do you have anything more other to offer, in terms of meaningful help to the non-code literate novice, other than the stock mantra of "you need to learn code", or not?

Honest question.


That guide has been up for many years and many 1000`s have followed it with only a handful coming back to ask for further instructions.


It is written in plain English for the novice user with step by step guides and many if not all guides have easy to follow pictures and hints.

To make a simple edit to a template is very easy once you have read the appropriate guide and most if not all are written for the complete beginner.

I have had many feedback from people that have never ever edited a forum before saying how easy it was following the guides, so im afraid your argument there does not stand up.

And in all probability i know the guides where written for the noivce in mind as i have spent hours making each guide based on it.



I'll take that as a 'No' then.
symon

Full Tilt Boogie wrote:
Symon wrote:
FTB wrote:


So the question is, do you have anything more other to offer, in terms of meaningful help to the non-code literate novice, other than the stock mantra of "you need to learn code", or not?

Honest question.


That guide has been up for many years and many 1000`s have followed it with only a handful coming back to ask for further instructions.


It is written in plain English for the novice user with step by step guides and many if not all guides have easy to follow pictures and hints.

To make a simple edit to a template is very easy once you have read the appropriate guide and most if not all are written for the complete beginner.

I have had many feedback from people that have never ever edited a forum before saying how easy it was following the guides, so im afraid your argument there does not stand up.

And in all probability i know the guides where written for the noivce in mind as i have spent hours making each guide based on it.



I'll take that as a 'No' then.


As Admin has also said in his post if you can not follow the simplest of guides , then editing templates is not for you . 1000`s of complete novice have followed it and made the edits correctly, if you are below the simple novice then i would suggest you take more time learning then criticising.

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