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boblast

Forum suspended

http://abdlstoryforum.myfastforum.org

Is coming up as Forum suspended when trying to access it, why is it suspended?

Thanks

Bob Last
admin (no pm's please)

I am 99% positive that you do not really need to ask that question  
boblast

I am only doing what it says on the page which comes up when trying to access, Victoriah Nichole Little's forum: http://abdlstoryforum.myfastforum.org.

As on the page which comes up says: "Forum suspended, ask why on the support forum" which is what I am doing.
symon

What Admin clearly means is that the forum was clearly breaking the terms and conditions
boblast

I have looked at the terms and conditions and cannot see any which it was breaking. the forum has been running 3 years or more, it is a story forum where members write stories with a abdl theme and the other members can comment on them and suggest improvements to them.
admin (no pm's please)

Yeh.. Stories like "Schoolgirl in Pampers"...
Jaks

So...let me get this straight. Because a forum happens to have stories that mention genitalia and diapers, this is considered pornographic?

That seems to be just as biased and one sided as the people who think we're pedophiles. These stories are not for "Wanking off" to, they're for entertainment. They're for aspiring writers who wish to learn better techniques and learn how to not write a cliche story in a subject where it's very EASY to come across a cliche story.

To imply that the stories are pornographic in nature is, I'm sorry to say, short sighted and completely naive. Unlike most fetishes, Infantilism doesn't HAVE to be a fetish, it can be a lifestyle much like most Transgendered people are. It doesn't always have to do with sex and sexual stimulation.

Now, if an ABDL story actually has the act of sex, by all means you have the right to tell us not to write that material. But don't destroy a perfectly good and very active community of people over something that could easily be fixed by you going to Vickie and saying "Hey, don't allow sex in your stories." I'm sure that most people on that forum would agree that it's a small price to pay to not be allowed to write about sex for the survival of the longest running story forum for infantilists, AB/DL's, Transgenders, Sissies, and Little Girls.
admin (no pm's please)

This was a fetish site where an awful lot of the stories involved children.
Jaks

So?

For the most part, children in the stories on that forum are tertiary characters, they aren't the central focus in plot and character development.

And furthermore, if we're gonna go by that logic then you might as well suspend all forums related to breast feeding and babycare. Oh noes, they talk about boobies and diapering children, they must be sicko child molestors! For that matter you might as well ban all gay, lesbian, bisexual and transexual based forums of any kind.

Seriously dude, I don't see reason in this. I see bigotry.
Kip

admin (no pm's please) wrote:
This was a fetish site where an awful lot of the stories involved children.


So what's your point?

Just because the stories involved children, doesn't make it against the terms and conditions. It was not a porn site. None of the stories I have read on that forum since it came into existence have involved sexual acts involving children.

Edit: I just read the sticky about the terms and conditions. You mention that the owner of the forum(the defense, as you call it) has a right to see the evidence. So, where is your evidence??
Jaks

Kip wrote:
Edit: I just read the sticky about the terms and conditions. You mention that the owner of the forum(the defense, as you call it) has a right to see the evidence. So, where is your evidence??


Eh...that's likely going to be discussed in private dude.
Victoriah Nichole Little

Oh no - please, discuss it publicly. I want to see the evidence. I run a clean forum, keeping out trolls and having strict rules about what can and can not be posted. We do NOT allow stories with sexual scenes involving children, and we never have. We have on occasion banned a person merely because they made it sound like they might be paedophilic.

I have gone through your forums and found plenty that are dedicated to other sexual subjects. You in fact plainly state that adult subjects are ok. This is nothing but pure bigotry on the part of MyFastForums and MyFreeForums.
WingZ

The myfastforum admins have erred egregiously in suspending this forum. First of all, it is NOT a porn site. Pornography is not allowed and stories have in fact been removed because they were too overtly sexual.

Second, while a number of stories did contain child characters, the sexualization of children was absolutely prohibited. We have always maintained a hard-line stance against pedophilic content.

Third, the forum is NOT exclusively a fetish site. Stories and fetish discussion comprise only a portion of the forum. Among other things, the forum has allowed members to engage in political discourse, share movie reviews and original artwork and seek or offer advice about life in general. While people have come and gone over the years, a community HAS developed.

Fourth, as per myfastforum’s own terms and conditions, a forum may be removed/suspended only if “reasonable discussion would be pointless.” It is inconceivable that such a point of no return was reached in regard to this forum. If anything was in violation of terms of service, myfasforum admins had an obligation to notify forum admins of the problem. That way, we could either work toward compliance or seek another host. That no such notification was issued is inexcusable. The determination that “reasonable discussion would be pointless” seems ill-supported and arbitrary.

In short, myfastforum admins have both profoundly misjudged the nature of this forum and flagrantly violated myfastforum’s own conditions and procedures by arbitrarily suspending it.
katherine

I agree totally with WingZ on this one.  I joined the forum almost a year ago, and while I wasn't the biggest poster there, I went through several life experiences with that group.  Injuries, a tragic death in myfamily and best of all, the birth of my first child.  I felt honored to share those experiences with them, and seriously hope that I can share more of them with my friends and compatriots at Vickie's forum.  

Katherine
Jacqueline Kennedy

I completely agree with the above posters. Your terms of service clearly state that the discussion of "adult" topics and "controversial" topics is allowed. You terms state that, a person may not, "Run a 'hate' site. Racism, Homophobia, Religious hate, will not be tolerated. We include 'self hate' in this definition. Which means for example whilst a site that believes in the legalisation of recreational drugs would be tolerated for the sake of free speech, a site that encourages anorexia which is self harm and therefore self hatred would not be allowed." In so saying, you imply that other controversial topics will be allowed; in fact, you state that forums that discriminate against minority groups will not be tolerated. The abdl story forum certainly doesn't discriminate against anyone, it doesn't spread hate speech, and it in no way harms anyone--what is your reasoning in banning it as violating your terms of service? Furthermore, it's not as though the abdl story forum is or has ever made any effort to conceal its purposes or its content. You have been letting this site run on your servers for what--a good two years now?--and have only come to the conclusion that it violates your terms of service now? I am deeply troubled and disgusted by your willingness to discriminate against a minority group that is so clearly harmless. I can only think that your true motivation for banning the site stems from deeply held bigotry and a desire to discriminate against individuals you perceive as different from yourself. Your lack of tolerance, your dismissive attitude, and your inability to produce a single articulable instance in which the forum violated your terms of services is both disgusting and despicable. I ask that you rethink your discriminatory, arbitrary, and frankly hurtful actions and restore the forum immediately.
Zudane

Though I haven't seen it, erotic stories, whether or not they are used for sexual stimulation, is considered a form of pornography. If they involve children, then the story can be very suspicious.

And while adult topics can be DISCUSSED, writing a story is not discussion.
WingZ

Zudane wrote:
Though I haven't seen it, erotic stories, whether or not they are used for sexual stimulation, is considered a form of pornography. If they involve children, then the story can be very suspicious.

And while adult topics can be DISCUSSED, writing a story is not discussion.


You're passing judgment on something sight unseen and applying a definition which is entirely arbitrary. By what means or measure is something "considered a form of pornography?" Further, by what means or measure is writing a story and responding to stories others have written NOT a discussion? Lastly, why would the discussion of adult topics be permissible but the presence of adult themes in stories not be permissible?
wimsett

It would seem that the administration of myfastforum, do NOT understand the English language.  The owner of our now unjustly suspended forum, has asked for evidence, so WHERE IS the evidince?

This site has NEVER posted pornographic nor pedophilic content.

One of the definitians of pedophila is:

pedophilia n. an obsession with children as sex objects. Overt acts, including taking sexual explicit photographs, molesting children, and exposing one's genitalia to children are all crimes. The problem with these crimes is that pedophilia is also treated as a mental illness, and the pedophile is often released only to repeat the crimes or escalate the activity to the level of murder.

Please show a specific example of a post on our forum that was in any way related to that LEGAL definition?

You would NOT be able to do that, because it has NEVER happened.

We are NOT harming anyone, nor have we violated any of your so-called terms and conditions.  As has said already, the only violation that has been done is by myfastforum's administrator, by being unable to see past the nose on his/her face.
Jaks

Zudane wrote:
Though I haven't seen it, erotic stories, whether or not they are used for sexual stimulation, is considered a form of pornography. If they involve children, then the story can be very suspicious.

And while adult topics can be DISCUSSED, writing a story is not discussion.


Not only do you admit you've never seen our stories and proceed to pass judgment on whether or not they're erotic, but it is an entirely false accusation.

I could do the same thing to you. "I've never seen do anything pedophelic in nature but you do know it's illegal right?" See how I just accused you of being a pedophile and I don't even know a damn thing about you? Wouldn't you feel extremely persecuted, upset and even angry if someone actually DID accuse you of that?

That statement of yours basically is the same to us, and you're doing it to an entire community of people, and so is the admin who shut the forum down.
Victoriah Nichole Little

Members of this unjustly suspended forum, please watch the sites of the Administrators for updates on our status, whether the admins here listen to reason or not. You know the URLs.

Pornography as defined by Law is that which is obscene. To establish something as obscene, one must prove that the work is, "appealing only to prurient interests",  "utterly without redeeming social value" and "patently offensive because it affronts contemporary community standards relating to the description of sexual matters." I asked before and I ask again - where is the evidence that such was existing in our forum?  

As the owner of this forum, I was guaranteed a certain amount of freedom of expression, and given an idea that if there were matters in which the forum was out of line, I would be contacted. No contact was attempted with me or any of my other appointed Admins whatsoever.
Zudane

Considering I've seen Admin's judge of what is allowed and what is not, I trust his decision.

Don't pass judgment on me - as I am very open to adult topics.  What I am saying is that discussion is talking ABOUT something, but does not need detail.  When you are writing an adult story, you are not talking about it, you are describing it.

And while YOU may not be getting pleasure out of it, you are giving the ability for any reader to get pleasure from it.  So unless you can speak for every single person that has ever read the forum, I cannot take your word for it.

Lastly it's not up to me, it is up to the Admin.  I cannot take a position based on reading it because I cannot read it.
tom06

This "ganging up" wont get you anywhere. Admin doesnt "have" to host your forum, he does it as a service. If he says it will be suspended then thats his choice and the final decision until noted otherwise. I havnt viewed your forum so do not wish to be involved in the "yes it was" or "no it wasnt" discussion. In the past I have found Admin to be very helpful in such matters. I suggest JUST your site admin posts her and discusses the matter with Myfreeforum's admin. Hopfully if deemed right you may get your forum back.

Thanks.
WingZ

Zudane:

Some people get pleasure out of cookbooks. Does that mean cookbooks can be construed as pornography?

tom06:

Admins get to make the rules, but they are obligated to honor what rules they set. That has not happened here.
JCJF

Zudane wrote:
Don't pass judgment on me

Because the banning of a forum without ANY warning. Totally not judgemental.

Zudane wrote:
And while YOU may not be getting pleasure out of it, you are giving the ability for any reader to get pleasure from it.  So unless you can speak for every single person that has ever read the forum, I cannot take your word for it.

I get my pleasure from the letter e. Therefore I presume you request the complete and utter removal of every letter e in the entire world.

Zudane wrote:
Lastly it's not up to me, it is up to the Admin.  I cannot take a position based on reading it because I cannot read it.

Need any more be said?

The bottom line is that some extreme bigotry has taken place here tonight and whilst I understand it's within your rights to remove whatever the hell you want I truly thought higher of this website.
Jaks

Quote:
This "ganging up" wont get you anywhere. Admin doesnt "have" to host your forum, he does it as a service. If he says it will be suspended then thats his choice and the final decision until noted otherwise. I havnt viewed your forum so do not wish to be involved in the "yes it was" or "no it wasnt" discussion. In the past I have found Admin to be very helpful in such matters. I suggest JUST your site admin posts her and discusses the matter with Myfreeforum's admin. Hopfully if deemed right you may get your forum back.


First off, we don't need the help of a kissass. And secondly, despite agreeing with Vickie, she does not speak for all of us. No one can. We are all individuals on that forum and have a right to express our disagreement with any decision your administrator makes on the forum. So no, I'm not going to stop "Ganging up" as you call it as my opinion of the situation is just as valid as Kip's, Katherine's, WingZ's, and Vickie's.

Just the same as Vickie doesn't speak for us, neither do you speak for the admin.
Victoriah Nichole Little

Actually as the one whose name is on the dotted line, that makes me the legal representative of the forum, which in this case kinda DOES mean I speak for you, Jaks.
Jaks

Victoriah Nichole Little wrote:
Actually as the one whose name is on the dotted line, that makes me the legal representative of the forum, which in this case kinda DOES mean I speak for you, Jaks.


Eh, true, but that doesn't mean I don't have a right to my own opinion.
Jared

The "ABDL story forum"

The nomadic forum has served some good purposes, primarily as a gathering place for adults with an interest (sexual or otherwise) in, and/or a physical need for, diapers.  Also as a venue for writers of fiction revolving around adults wearing diapers for various reasons. Some of that was excellent and I hope it will find new homes.

Unfortunately the content went beyond those positive components. Children were mentioned and images of them were posted and this  is unacceptable in a venue where sexual fetishism is a common, even if not universal, underlying theme. The so-called "owner" (who has now found out he did not own it but was merely borrowing it) claimed he was a fundamentalist clergyman with a church congregation but he also said over and over that he was  a "little girl" and he insisted that people refer to him as "she" or "her." Would you want him teaching your daughter's Sunday schoool class?  

Legal definitions of pornography don't matter. It was simply very distasteful and I support the decision to evict this tenant.
Kip

Re: The "ABDL story forum"

Jared wrote:
The nomadic forum has served some good purposes, primarily as a gathering place for adults with an interest (sexual or otherwise) in, and/or a physical need for, diapers.  Also as a venue for writers of fiction revolving around adults wearing diapers for various reasons. Some of that was excellent and I hope it will find new homes.

Unfortunately the content went beyond those positive components. Children were mentioned and images of them were posted and this  is unacceptable in a venue where sexual fetishism is a common, even if not universal, underlying theme. The so-called "owner" (who has now found out he did not own it but was merely borrowing it) claimed he was a fundamentalist clergyman with a church congregation but he also said over and over that he was  a "little girl" and he insisted that people refer to him as "she" or "her." Would you want him teaching your daughter's Sunday schoool class?  

Legal definitions of pornography don't matter. It was simply very distasteful and I support the decision to evict this tenant.


Oh jesus. I knew you were going to say something like this the moment I saw you registered here. STFU.
Victoriah Nichole Little

The obvious statement to come from someone who spouted hate again and again at our forum, until we finally kicked his butt out.

There were no images of children, and you damn well know it, Jared.  You statements amount to libel.
WingZ

It's worth noting that Jared was banned from the forum for repeatedly violating rules and failing to exhibit common courtesy. He is motivated by a personal vendetta against the owner. Further, he has no standing to support or oppose this so-called "eviction."
Jaks

Re: The "ABDL story forum"

Jared wrote:
The nomadic forum has served some good purposes, primarily as a gathering place for adults with an interest (sexual or otherwise) in, and/or a physical need for, diapers.  Also as a venue for writers of fiction revolving around adults wearing diapers for various reasons. Some of that was excellent and I hope it will find new homes.

Unfortunately the content went beyond those positive components. Children were mentioned and images of them were posted and this  is unacceptable in a venue where sexual fetishism is a common, even if not universal, underlying theme. The so-called "owner" (who has now found out he did not own it but was merely borrowing it) claimed he was a fundamentalist clergyman with a church congregation but he also said over and over that he was  a "little girl" and he insisted that people refer to him as "she" or "her." Would you want him teaching your daughter's Sunday schoool class?  

Legal definitions of pornography don't matter. It was simply very distasteful and I support the decision to evict this tenant.


God your such a lying fuck.
wimsett

Just to let others know how warped Admin is here,  Babybutts archive has also been suspended.  It seems that the owner of the domain myfastfurm.org does not even bother to READ that this particular story is actually an AUTOBIOGRAPHY.
Victoriah Nichole Little

wimsett wrote:
Just to let others know how warped Admin is here,  Babybutts archive has also been suspended.  It seems that the owner of the domain myfastfurm.org does not even bother to READ that this particular story is actually an AUTOBIOGRAPHY.



Umm.  News to me, I was just there. And I checked again after you posted this.
frj3

Banned Forum

Forum Folks,

This is not my forum other than the fact that I just joined it.  That said I did want to comment that it seems to me that there are more topics that are considered politically unacceptable.  Frankly I feel that open and honest discussion of all topics should be encouraged.  Will nuns find a sexual discussion somewhat disturbing?  I would expect they would.  Should such a forum be banned on that basis?  No it should not.  

If a new set of moderators have been appointed and they find the content of a three year old forum objectionable one has to ask if perhaps the moderators are in error.  I for one feel this is the case.  But then I also feel Black men in Cambridge MA should not be arrested in their living room once they prove that they are not breaking into their own residence.  Others argue to contrary proving yet again that the world is not going to run out of fools any time soon.

I urge the operators of this forum to not act like fools.  The grownups should have better sense.  Or am I expecting too much of our brothers and sisters in the United Kingdom.
wimsett

Arrg,

Sadly it was a link to our suspended forum that is why I thought it was down.
Zudane

wimsett wrote:
Just to let others know how warped Admin is here,  Babybutts archive has also been suspended.  It seems that the owner of the domain myfastfurm.org does not even bother to READ that this particular story is actually an AUTOBIOGRAPHY.


Perhaps you spelled the name wrong, because a wrong spelling comes up with a similar name.

And, I did just review the site.  Though certain stories leave me feeling entirely uneasy.  I've got a quite open background, and I'm accepting of a lot of things, but this site does not seem to be as legitimate as claimed.  Your attitudes on here are very off-putting, you have not tried to civilly discuss the problems at hand, you have just spouted out discrimination and fought back.

The best way to get anything done is remaining calm.  After looking over the site, I don't see anything that is directly against the T&C, but at the same time the Admin here has the decision on whether the way he interprets both the stories on your forum and the T&C.  And if you read the T&C: "We reserve the right to change these terms and conditions"

If the site was open, perhaps you should make it so people have to register to view the stories.  But again, after looking it over, I don't see anything wrong enough to consider it against the T&C.  Though combining the questionable site and your argumentative behavior, if I were admin, I'd leave it suspended a week until members have calmed down.

Maybe you should calmly describe why your site is within the T&C, without yelling discrimination or anything insulting.  You've made personal attacks on THIS forum, and that's uncalled for.
Zudane

Re: Banned Forum

frj3 wrote:
Forum Folks,

This is not my forum other than the fact that I just joined it.  That said I did want to comment that it seems to me that there are more topics that are considered politically unacceptable.  Frankly I feel that open and honest discussion of all topics should be encouraged.  Will nuns find a sexual discussion somewhat disturbing?  I would expect they would.  Should such a forum be banned on that basis?  No it should not.  

If a new set of moderators have been appointed and they find the content of a three year old forum objectionable one has to ask if perhaps the moderators are in error.  I for one feel this is the case.  But then I also feel Black men in Cambridge MA should not be arrested in their living room once they prove that they are not breaking into their own residence.  Others argue to contrary proving yet again that the world is not going to run out of fools any time soon.

I urge the operators of this forum to not act like fools.  The grownups should have better sense.  Or am I expecting too much of our brothers and sisters in the United Kingdom.


I can understand your point - but insulting the staff of MYFF is a bad way to get what you want.  There has yet to be any civil and non-confrontational post supporting this site.
Victoriah Nichole Little

Zudane,

We have made several explanations why the forum was within the T&C. I also asked for evidence showing that it is NOT within the T&C, and you yourself have admitted that you don't see any such evidence. The first few posts on this topic were very non-confrontational and only met with sarcasm and confrontation from Symon and Admin (who apparently never gives any info about himself... the mysterious admin guy....).  When met with the claims they made, we naturally defended against those claims.  I do not see how that is so wrong. It is in fact doing just what you said we should do, to explain why we are within the T&C.
Zudane

Victoriah Nichole Little wrote:
Zudane,

We have made several explanations why the forum was within the T&C. I also asked for evidence showing that it is NOT within the T&C, and you yourself have admitted that you don't see any such evidence. The first few posts on this topic were very non-confrontational and only met with sarcasm and confrontation from Symon and Admin (who apparently never gives any info about himself... the mysterious admin guy....).  When met with the claims they made, we naturally defended against those claims.  I do not see how that is so wrong. It is in fact doing just what you said we should do, to explain why we are within the T&C.


I saw some rather confrontational posts at the start of this.  And if you did read the last two posts, I have now reviewed the site.

I've shown some things that are inappropriate to the other mods and the Admin here. And the Admin does not need to identify himself on the support forum.  For legal and technical support he is readily available, but for general support it's not needed.
Jaks

You can't possibly expect us to not be perturbed and quite frankly, pissed off, that a three year old forum was suddenly taken away from us without any reason, and when a thread was started on the support forum half a dozen people rallied to show support for it and the administrator who was on all fucking day but has yet to provide any explanation let alone evidence that supports his decision to suspend the forum.

You can't expect someone who was punched in the face to not be pissed.
Zudane

I'd expect you to be upset.  But I'd also expect the decency to have it properly argued, not complaining and screaming.

Lastly, the Admin has much to do, considering he is the ONLY one that maintains this system, as well as other sites.  But this is his decision to make, and both sides have been presented, so now you just need to be patient and wait.
Bravo

Jaks wrote:
You can't expect someone who was punched in the face to not be pissed.


Perhaps, though we can expect at least a degree of civility.

As to the forum, my own opinion is that currently there does not appear to be any harm done though some content of some of the stories pushes the border between erotic (allowed) and pornography (not allowed).

My opinion therefore is that the more expressive sections of the site should remain private and in member only areas.  Just a thought, though of course the decision ultimately rests with Admin alone (though he does like to hear any given situation thoroughly).
frj3

Zudane,

I think you misunderstand.  Were I being confrontational my post would have began quite differently.  Something like “piss off”.  However it did not begin that way.

Zudane

frj3 wrote:
Zudane,

I think you misunderstand.  Were I being confrontational my post would have began quite differently.  Something like “piss off”.  However it did not begin that way.



Actively aggressive and passively aggressive are very different, but are both aggressive.
Victoriah Nichole Little

Quote:
Perhaps, though we can expect at least a degree of civility.


See, we also thought we could expect that.  Again, I point you to the first few responses we go when we questioned, and that does not really appear "civil" to me. Those kind of answers are obviously only going to escalate the tension of the situation.

We already thought it pretty uncivil to not follow your own statements in that you said you would not remove a forum without first notifying the admin of the forum and trying to discuss the matter with them, and in that we do not feel .... nor do you from your own statements, that the forum was outside the T&C and if in fact it was not, then removal of it is unfair and bound to draw statements as to that fact.
Jaks

Quote:
I'd expect you to be upset.  But I'd also expect the decency to have it properly argued, not complaining and screaming.


Oh, and you guys would've gotten that had it not been for the total lack of communication when suspending the forum AND the lack of respect of your admin who in his initial three posts of this thread made a few unfounded and completely false claims.
Bravo

Ok, it seems you just want to argue now.  It would appear all has been said in favour of the forum, so this childishness is getting nobody anywhere.

I'm locking this thread until Admin gets online.  Then he can make his decision.
admin (no pm's please)

Firstly I have to says that I stand by the decision that you cannot be hosted here.

Some of the comments on your forum make it plain that the stories are "wank" material, and a great many of the stories involve children.

Further more comments like:

Quote:

And furthermore, if we're gonna go by that logic then you might as well suspend all forums related to breast feeding and babycare. Oh noes, they talk about boobies and diapering children, they must be sicko child molestors! For that matter you might as well ban all gay, lesbian, bisexual and transexual based forums of any kind.


demonstrate a total divorce from reality. if someone really cannot see that a fetish site where the stories involve children is in a totally different arena to just about any other forum, then they cannot be trusted to have any judgment at all about what they post.

We also have accusations that further bring the forum into disrepute.

Our forums are not individual Islands, they are subject not just to our own terms and conditions, but the terms and conditions of advertisers and our own hosts, not to mention the actual law of the land or lands. It would be totally irresponsible on those grounds alone for us to risk all our forums for the sake of one extremely dubious forum.

This brings me to my next point. We do allow adult sites within reason here, and there are numerous instances of forums who know that their content might be questionable having the courtesy and common sense to talk with us first about what will be on the forum. I cannot believe that the forum admin here did not know that the forum might be rejected from the outset, the length of time the forum has been in existence is neither here not there, it simply had been flying under the radar.

Once the forum was spotted it needed to be instantly suspended for the benefit of all our members.

So where do we go from here?

I am prepared to offer for a token administration fee of £10 an export of your forum, you can then go where you wish, though I imagine you will struggle to find a host that will accept you.
Jared

Vickie, WingZ, and gang:

I did not report your forum to the owners. I learned of their decision after you did.

My subsequent comment here contained nothing that was not true.  Vickie, in every one of your posts on the forum, right  under your name, there appeared the image of a child. And there were links to your other sites with more images of children, some with diapers showing.  

I don't think you allowed obscenity, or even pornography really, just an unsavory mixture of content --- certain things just should not be mixed in the same place. Guns and alcohol. Children and fetishism or transexual ageplay.  

That's my opinion, and I suspect I am not alone. I have no vendetta or grudge against anyone. Just a visceral opinion.
JCJF

admin (no pm's please) wrote:
I imagine you will struggle to find a host that will accept you.


Sorry to post again and not to be rude but google "abdl" or "tbdl", many a worse site exist. Do not speak of what you do not know
Kip

A quick use of your search feature on www.myfreeforum.org has revealed another ABDL/Furry forum that has not been suspended.

Since you have decided to unjustly suspend ours, are you going to suspend this forum as well? Or are you going to be a hypocrite?

ETA: Make that two forums.
frj3

babble

Psycho babble is still babble.
symon

This thread was reopened on the sole purpose of offering an export to the owner.

The decision to suspend the forum will not be overturned.

Keep the discussion to if you want an export or not, or the thread will be locked again.
Kip

I'm not the owner, but what exactly is saved when an export occurs?
symon

Kip wrote:
I'm not the owner, but what exactly is saved when an export occurs?


All the post and members
Victoriah Nichole Little

I am the owner.

I believe the offer you extend should have been done privately, but at any rate, please give me the details on how I go about getting this export.

You may have only opened for that purpose, but I believe after your leveled accusations I have both a right and a responsibility to respond.

Jared's accusations, as we see now, refer to avatars. Can anyone say, "scraping the bottom of the barrel"? While some avatars did have pictures of children (the reason being that is how some members perceive themselves), we kept a check on those and did not allow any questionable avatars.   In any case it appears he was still visiting the forum, which tells us that he made a new account after he was banned and was doing some flying under the radar himself.

I am unaware of any comments that would, "make it plain that the stories are wank material". That simply is not true. Whether or not someone might use them for that is another matter, but I see a great many sites devoted to, for instance, anime - and I am sure some members of said sites use the pictures to wank to even though that is not the sole purpose. In this same way, that is not the sole purpose of the stories on our forum.

Further, you call the site a, "fetish site where the stories involve children." In so doing you again make a public accusation but do not leave open any possibility of the people reading your claims to check for themselves. There was absolutely, positively no sexualization of babies or children in these stories. Had there been, that story would have been immediately removed.

Your own moderators have themselves looked at the site, and told us in this thread that they saw nothing wrong with it, so this tells us that even among your administration there is disagreement. Does this suggest you don't have the final say?  Of course not, but it does suggest that even some whom you trust are not in agreement with your decision (while I am certain they would stand behind you, just as many stand behind me even when they are not 100% in agreement with a decision I make).

Any of my forum members who see this, please keep an eye on our news forum, http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/252478 and also on http://lil-vickie.com/aby for updates on our new URL .

Admin, while I disagree with the action taken, and the way in which is was taken, and I believe your interpretation of the "facts" to be false, I DO appreciate the ability to collect the information. Please communicate to me how I go about paying you and instructions on what I need to do to export.  Thank you.
symon

Victoriah Nichole Little wrote:
I am the owner.

I believe the offer you extend should have been done privately


We keep things on the open forum so things are clear to all following the thread.

Use the donation link to make the payment

http://forum.myfreeforum.org/viewportal.php?component=shop
Kip

Vickie, if you would like, I would be happy to pay the export fee that he requires.
Victoriah Nichole Little

That's okay Kip, I've got it.  But thank you for the offer.

Symon, what happens after that? If you give the details publicly, that leads to everyone and his brother knowing how to get into our forum and getting all our members information. That would not be right.
admin (no pm's please)

an export has been emailed.

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