CodyT07
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American Politicshttp://articles.news.aol.com/news...5509990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001
 this is why im never going to vote
Thoughts please.
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admin (no pm's please)
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I fail to see how a better political system is achieved without participation.
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Symon
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| admin wrote: | | I fail to see how a better political system is achieved without participation. |
Agreed
And thats all i,ll say here on this subject dont want to start a flaming war again
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CodyT07
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| symon wrote: | | admin wrote: | | I fail to see how a better political system is achieved without participation. |
Agreed
And thats all i,ll say here on this subject dont want to start a flaming war again |
good point seems though he entered rehab http://articles.news.aol.com/news...5509990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001
Kinda scary they have a rehab for sending messages to teens
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Bravo
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Democracy and the freedom of the right to vote is something that many people lost their lives for fighting to give you that choice.
'All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing'
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CodyT07
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| Bravo wrote: | Democracy and the freedom of the right to vote is something that many people lost their lives for fighting to give you that choice.
'All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing' |
Republic  though its kind of scary a leader in the house of reps was doing that. Hell not long ago they arrested a bunch of state leaders in my state of Tennesee for something i cant remember right now  It was bad all i know.
Cant wait for 2008 all i can tell you. Just hope Hillary Clinton doesnt win as In my opinion she just be worse then Bush (it can happen).
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Cap'n Slappy
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I think Hillary Clinton would make a fantastic President but the Democratic nominee will probably be Mark Warner, the former Governor of Virginia.
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Brandon
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Hillary Clinton would be an awesome president!
Well... at least better that George Bush... 
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CodyT07
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| Brandon wrote: | Hillary Clinton would be an awesome president!
Well... at least better that George Bush... |
 nope your wrong.
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Cap'n Slappy
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Being better than George Bush isn't setting the bar very high.
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CodyT07
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I cant wait to hear symons thoughts on this. Bush really isnt that bad compared to others. He isnt the greatest but certanilynot the worse. Hilary i think would be worse but well see.
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Cap'n Slappy
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Bush is the worst President since Herbert Hoover.
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CodyT07
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I dont think hes that bad, like he said he isnt horrible nor is he great, just another average president. Though we need a democrat in there. to many republicans.
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Cap'n Slappy
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I guess it depends on what your definition of "bad" is. Do a google search on "failure" and see what comes up.
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CodyT07
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| pirate85 wrote: | | I guess it depends on what your definition of "bad" is. Do a google search on "failure" and see what comes up. |
Im one difficult to change political view. We voted for Bush and we got Bush. John Kerry in my opinion would be a hell lot worse.
No matter how much you hate him he is president.
The search pulled up the white house (  ) as the first thing. Apparently someone at Google hates Bush.
Though admin's signiture has one thing right.
"The less politicial he is, the more he loves the flag"
and im planing to "love the flag" more. Except when i hit 18 but thats not for another 3 years  by then we'll have a new president. Hopefully not Hilary..
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Cap'n Slappy
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I didn't vote for Bush and i'm not so sure the majority voted for him the first time. Maybe if the elections go as hoped for in November the House will have George W. Bush impeached by this time next year.
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CodyT07
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They cant have him impeached. That must have a good reason. I mean GOOD reason. As you cant say "all i think hes bad lets fire him" it doesnt work that way. I forgot how much but a majoity or almost all of them will have to vote yes to have him impeached. With the war going on thats the last they want to do.
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Bravo
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He started the bloody war for his own political and financial ends
The proof
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CodyT07
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| Bravo wrote: | He started the bloody war for his own political and financial ends
The proof |
i cant seem to play it but Sodamn Insane needed to be taken out.
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Cap'n Slappy
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The House can most definately impeach the president. Once the democrats become the majority in the house in November they will have the chairmanships of all the committee's with investigative powers. These committee's have given the administration free reign for the last 6 years but it will come to an end soon. Cody do you not think starting an illegal war based on lies about WMD is an impeachable offence? Think Again!
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admin (no pm's please)
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I'm trying hard to stay out of this!
But let me just say that if I have a cockroach in my kitchen, that for some reason I placed there many years earlier, I don't burn down the house and everyone in it, and then stand on the smoking ruins along with the cockroach and say "that was a job well done".
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Ziddy1232
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| admin wrote: | I'm trying hard to stay out of this!
But let me just say that if I have a cockroach in my kitchen, that for some reason I placed there many years earlier, I don't burn down the house and everyone in it, and then stand on the smoking ruins along with the cockroach and say "that was a job well done". |
Well Said... I am also staying out of this.
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Bravo
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Troops are still dying regularly.
And just because they are soldiers, it doesn't mean they aren't real people with hopes, dreams, mothers, fathers and loves.
The Bush administration is the most corrupt since the United States of America was founded. The 4th and 5th amendments have been done away with, and the administration itself is technically illegal due to a miscount in the state of Florida.
The CIA is the biggest drug dealer in the world, and drugs are the only reason they wanted to invade Afghanistan. Don't believe me? Here is the proof
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Brandon
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| Bravo wrote: | And just because they are soldiers, it doesn't mean they aren't real people with hopes, dreams, mothers, fathers and loves.
The Bush administration is the most corrupt since the United States of America was founded. The 4th and 5th amendments have been done away with, and the administration itself is technically illegal due to a miscount in the state of Florida. |
Here, Here.
I agree completely Bravo.
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Cap'n Slappy
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I didn't vote for Bush and there may have been a miscount in Florida in 2000 but make no mistake a lot of people in the US agree with this idiot and his methods. There has to be more of a change than just changing Presidents. We have to change a mindset here.
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CodyT07
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| Bravo wrote: | Troops are still dying regularly.
And just because they are soldiers, it doesn't mean they aren't real people with hopes, dreams, mothers, fathers and loves.
The Bush administration is the most corrupt since the United States of America was founded. The 4th and 5th amendments have been done away with, and the administration itself is technically illegal due to a miscount in the state of Florida.
The CIA is the biggest drug dealer in the world, and drugs are the only reason they wanted to invade Afghanistan. Don't believe me? Here is the proof |
I thought you lived in the U.K.? Man you know a lot about America.
Yes I want Bush out of there. If i remember correctly only 4 or so presidents have been impeached.
But who is going to take his place if he does? Though the presidents i hoped would win where the first out of the race last election. Though i wonder how Ralph Nader would of been....
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Bravo
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George Bush's resume (or CV for those of you that speak English):
| Quote: | RESUME OF GEORGE BUSH
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington , DC 20520
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:
LAW ENFORCEMENT
I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.
MILITARY
-- I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.
COLLEGE
-I graduated from Yale University with a low C average.
-I was a cheerleader.
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE
--I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
--I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas . The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
--I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.
--With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry, including Enron CEO Ken Lay, I was elected governor of Texas.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS
--I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
--During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.
--I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
--I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.
--With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT
--I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record. I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.
--I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.
--I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
--I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
--I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the US stock market.
--In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.
--I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, had a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
--I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President. I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.
--My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.
--My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.
--I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.
--I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
--I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history. I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
--I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.
--I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.
--I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.
--I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
--I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
--I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
--I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
--I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.
--I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period.
--After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
-- I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S.the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.
--I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.
--I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.
--I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families-in-wartime.
--In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.
--I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.
--I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.
--I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden [sic] to justice.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES
--All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.
--All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
--All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
--I am a member of the Republican Party.
PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN THE 2006 MID-TERM ELECTIONS. |
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CodyT07
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I must say Bravo and Admin has some good defenses
Well i cant battle that.
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Cap'n Slappy
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Cody only 2 presidents have been impeached. Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Maybe if the Republicans had been more worried about Osama Bin Laden instead of Monica Lewinski there would not have been a 9/11.
I think the thing that bothers me the most is America has always allowed the "other side" to strike first. Now we think nothing of a pre emptive strike if it serves our self interest. This country tries to impose its definition of freedom wherever we deem necessary. I agree Sadaam was a bad man. Guess who supported him and made him that way? We did. We should not be the policeman of the world. We have enough problems at home.
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the_punisher_kid
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Clinton was never impeached. He finished his term.
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CodyT07
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| the_punisher_kid wrote: | | Clinton was never impeached. He finished his term. |
Nope
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/impeach.html
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the_punisher_kid
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I stand er... sit corrected.
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Cap'n Slappy
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Actually Clinton was impeached by the House of Representative. Impeachement is only the first step to remove the President. He must be found guilty of the charges by two thirds of the Senate to be removed. Of course Clinton was not.
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CodyT07
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O yes and his wife is running. 
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Bravo
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| Codyt07 wrote: | | O yes and his wife is running. |
And so she should be. As far away from him as she bloody well can!
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Cap'n Slappy
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Bill Clinton was the best President we've had since Franklin Roosevelt. What is that you didn't like about the Clinton Administration, the peace or the prosperity?
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CodyT07
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i like clinton, just not his wife.
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Bravo
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| Pirate wrote: | | Bill Clinton was the best President we've had since Franklin Roosevelt. What is that you didn't like about the Clinton Administration, the peace or the prosperity? |
My post was what is commonly referred to in the UK and other countries as a joke
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the_punisher_kid
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| Pirate wrote: | | Bill Clinton was the best President we've had since Franklin Roosevelt. What is that you didn't like about the Clinton Administration, the peace or the prosperity? |
No no, don't twist others words around here, we said he was impeached. No one has anything against him. I think he was the only president without an assassination attempt. I think.
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CodyT07
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| the_punisher_kid wrote: | | Pirate wrote: | | Bill Clinton was the best President we've had since Franklin Roosevelt. What is that you didn't like about the Clinton Administration, the peace or the prosperity? |
No no, don't twist others words around here, we said he was impeached. No one has anything against him. I think he was the only president without an assassination attempt. I think. |
I just saw on the news that a British Film company was making a film about Bush being Assinated.
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Brandon
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Hopefully that comes true....
I hate Bush.
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the_punisher_kid
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| Codyt07 wrote: | | the_punisher_kid wrote: | | Pirate wrote: | | Bill Clinton was the best President we've had since Franklin Roosevelt. What is that you didn't like about the Clinton Administration, the peace or the prosperity? |
No no, don't twist others words around here, we said he was impeached. No one has anything against him. I think he was the only president without an assassination attempt. I think. |
I just saw on the news that a British Film company was making a film about Bush being Assinated. |
Funny enough he's had an assassination attempt.
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