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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: cjk777

Frankly I am disgusted that nothing has been done to stop them using illegal macros to illicitly gain chips from PartyPoker, and also nothing has been done to stop them from getting together and colluding to cheat honest players out of real money. I am, as always, bluntly honest. This is a disgrace, Martin, an absolute disgrace. _________________ CG Arts for free Banners, headers, logo's, signatures and avatars.

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject:

Something has been done, they have been contacted and I'm awaiting a response. This situation has been ongoing for a year without complaints being made, and as such a knee jerk reaction is not appropriate. _________________ Family Friendly Shareware \| \| Web Design/Services \| Free Forums

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject:

Let me introduce myself. I am kam, from cjk777.myfreeforum.org. I am the "K" in CJK - thus one of the owners/admins of that forum. I want to dispell certain notions going on here. First, we do not provide any macros that work with REAL money games on any online poker or game site. The macros that are provided are simply for play money games, they are as pointed out by the admin here, automata. They are not odd's calculators, nor are they hacks into communications between partypoker servers and their clients. They are writtin in a Macro Language called Quick Macros (www.quickmacros.com), which merely automate windows, mouse and keyboard commands. It works on top of the Windows Shell. Secondly, if you were to go read our forum, you will see that we do not condone nor accept any pornographic material. We have stated such to the entire membership and we moderate the best we can to ensure it doesnt happen. The site was created with the users mostly coming from Party Poker. To be a player on Party Poker, you need to be 18 years or older. And I will admit that some of the threads are risque. But we moderate to take out any pornography. A new user was created today as myfreeforum and made a post stating the rules and linking a couple of posts here. I would expect the admin of myfreeforum to work through email, therefore I banned that user for trying to create drama on our forum. I hope this explains our position and what we do. We do not feel we are breaking any of the terms and conditions of this site. If we are, we would ask that the admin contact us through the associated email used when creating our forum. Thank you for your time. -kam _________________ cjk777.myfreeforum.org

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject:

Kam, you fail to address two very important points. 1. Macros are not permitted by PartyPoker. Play money or not. 2. You haven't addressed the issue of collusion. This is tantamount to a bunch of conmen and conwomen, which again is against PartyPoker Terms and Conditions. _________________ CG Arts for free Banners, headers, logo's, signatures and avatars.

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject:

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Kam, you fail to address two very important points.

1. Macros are not permitted by PartyPoker. Play money or not.

2. You haven't addressed the issue of collusion. This is tantamount to a bunch of conmen and conwomen, which again is against PartyPoker Terms and Conditions.

Well, what we do is not illegal in any way. There are many software packages that are provided for sale that are odd's calculators and that do try to "hack" code. THere is no legal way for Party Poker to put a stop to those, but they can do something to any user who is caught using them. Party Poker does not allow the use of third party software. And they have a way of dealing with it. And frankly it is their business, not yours.

Also, your accuastions of "collusion" are unfounded and without any proof whatsoever. It is merely your opinion. So please state it as such. You are entitled to your opinon and I would never dream of even trying to convince you otherwise. However, if you can show me a shred of proof, then I think you need to call Party Poker and have them handle it.

Again, we do not condone doing or taking any illegal actions.

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject:

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Also, your accuastions of "collusion" are unfounded and without any proof whatsoever. It is merely your opinion. So please state it as such.

I found several threads with regard to this, and I sent example url's to the MFF admin. So yes, proof found, seen and sent.

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And frankly it is their business, not yours.

When I have used PartyPoker in the past and paid real hard earned money then this is indeed my business.

You are trying to dance around the issue with legal technicalities. Of course this isn't 'illegal' as the internet doesn't yet have an internationally recognised legislative body. 'Legal' it may be, but morally it is wrong, and it is 'illegal' in the respect that it breaks PartyPokers terms and conditions.

You might think you are smart, sunshine, but you aint smart enough. Pathetic cheaters like you ruin the whole online experience for many millions of people. Just because you can't be bothered to put the time, patience and sheer hard work into increasing your experience and skill...relying instead on shifty deals and colluding with other like minded people.
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject:

Email has failed as a point of contact, and the email address for the user created on your forum clearly proved it was legit. Banning that user without attempting to address the issues lead to inevitable action being taken. _________________ Family Friendly Shareware \| \| Web Design/Services \| Free Forums

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:02 pm Post subject:

I have for the time being unsuspended your forum, I suggest you unban myfreeforum and continue the discussion here. _________________ Family Friendly Shareware \| \| Web Design/Services \| Free Forums

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject:

admin wrote:

Email has failed as a point of contact, and the email address for the user created on your forum clearly proved it was legit. Banning that user without attempting to address the issues lead to inevitable action being taken.

Admin,

To give you some history, there are many Party Poker themed boards (forums) out there. THey are very competitive and some of them are very drama oriented.

I saw a post made in a general area called Introductions, that linked to this site and said things about us that are not true. They are simply accusations. I would not have expected an Admin of this site to go "post" on our forum. If it was you, I apologize, but I am sure you see my point. I know that if anything goes wrong with the forum and we have to conduct business with you, we must do that business via email from the email that created the account.

The person who owns that email is unavailble for the short time period.

He will answer any questions you have regarding these alleged issues.

I am not here to cause drama in anyway, but I dont like being attacked. I am not responding to Bravo anymore as he personally attacked me, which is quite immature when having a serious discussion.

We would like to get this resolved as quickly as possible and have the forum up as soon as possible.

Thank you.

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject:

Just for the record, I would like to share a PM and my response to that PM with this discussion:

The PM I received:

wally550 wrote:

hi
first let me interduce my self im wally and i am a cjk fan not for the poker but for the fun we have on that site so why you spoil that all for us
i am not mad but i dont think its fair because we just wanna have fun.
and i really dont wanna start any drama here.

hope this informs you on what the most of us do on that site.

gr wally

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Hi Wally,

The site does indeed look to be a fun site. One I would enjoy myself.

However, the administration of the forum are currently allowing the use of macros.
They are also allowing players to get together and collude with each other to con genuine players out of real money.

That cannot continue.

I am sure if the administration of the forum cleaned up their act with regard to this that the forum would be reinstated immediately. I have no wish to 'bring down' the forum, I just wish to put a stop to the bad behaviour.

I hope this clears the issue up for you.

Regards,

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject:

Admin, That user name has been unbanned. However, I do not see why our private business needs to be discussed on our forum. I have detailed out what we do. Bravo does not have any proof, because frankly it is wrong. WE NEVER DISCUSS REAL MONEY THINGS on the forum. As a matter of fact, I do not even play real money on the internet. I do nothing to promote real money games, in anyway shape or form. Not how to play, collude, or cheat in any way. The posts he is alluding to, were about doing a PLAY MONEY TOURNAMENT, where we all joined the tournament and had a good time. Again, it was a PLAY MONEY (FAKE CHIP) tournament. And yes I did use the word macro there, but that was a macro that merely got the standing of all of the users from our forum weeded out from all the total users. It was not interferring with the tournament in anyway. Thank you. -kam _________________ cjk777.myfreeforum.org

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject:

Party Poker wrote:

We are committed to detecting and preventing software programs which are designed to enable any artificial intelligence ("AI Software") to play on our site such as, but not limited to, opponent profiling, player collusion, cheating software or anything else that we deem enables you to have an unfair advantage over other players. You acknowledge that the Company will take measures to detect and prevent the use of such programs and AI Software using methods including but not limited to screen scraping or reading the list of currently running programs on a player’s computer and you agree not to use any AI Software and/or any such programs.
http://www.partypoker.net/about_us/legal_information.html

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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject:

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Admin,

That user name has been unbanned. However, I do not see why our private business needs to be discussed on our forum.

I have detailed out what we do. Bravo does not have any proof, because frankly it is wrong. WE NEVER DISCUSS REAL MONEY THINGS on the forum. As a matter of fact, I do not even play real money on the internet. I do nothing to promote real money games, in anyway shape or form. Not how to play, collude, or cheat in any way.

The posts he is alluding to, were about doing a PLAY MONEY TOURNAMENT, where we all joined the tournament and had a good time. Again, it was a PLAY MONEY (FAKE CHIP) tournament. And yes I did use the word macro there, but that was a macro that merely got the standing of all of the users from our forum weeded out from all the total users. It was not interferring with the tournament in anyway.

Thank you.

-kam

If further proof were needed, then this admission of guilt is it. Quite blatantly goes against PartyPoker rules.

It is a different question whether this is against MFF T&C, admin will of course be the judge of that.

Kam, your forum does look like a fun forum, and, apart from these transgressions, looks to be very well run.

There is plenty to discuss with regard to poker without having to break PP rules.
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:29 pm Post subject:

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Party Poker wrote:

Yes, and they deal with it, as it is their business.

But lets take a look at the image of your post. Because the adds that were on it were kind of fun. THey are for poker cheating. We have seen these adds on our site and we dont control that. If the admin of this site is allowing those people to advertise, then he too is condoning cheating at online poker.

Now we all know that I dont beleive that is a TRUTH, but it is the same kind of logic we are being attacked with.

I do not know why the image is not coming up. I am trying to host it on photobucket instead of my website, perhaps that will help.
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:29 pm Post subject:

Well if i cant access your forum, ill let my friend Google do some searching. Lets see what macros you site http://www.cjk777.net/upccontents.html has i believe are unfair.

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This macro replaces the conventional Auto
Fold (AF). It will select the "Deal Me Out"
check box and monitor the hands and every
15th hand, it will deal you in, get cards and
fold. This way you will never get booted off the
table. You have four times that you can
choose to be dealt out, 15, 30, 45 or 60
minutes. After the selected time has passed,
the DO macro will go into a different mode.

This macro will simply raise every bet. It is
typically used with Giver so that the giver can
fold.

Integrated into UPC are seat stealers. There
are stealers for each seat as well as an all
seats. These macros essentially will try to
click on the open seat button very fast. When
someone leaves a seat, this button appears
for a split second, the macro takes advantage
of this to get the seat. NOTE: You cannot run
the stealer on multiple tables at once. This
slows down the stealer thus we have
programmed it to work that way.

Oh And lets not forget about this one.

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Chipper (Clicker)
There is an automatic chip accumulator, a
chipper. You use this macro to build your
bank up so that you can play without the need
to get chips from pp.

I say thats unfair.

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