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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:47 pm    Post subject: How to get Google to crawl the forum?  Reply with quote

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Hi, I have read through the forums about the issue, but was looking for some helpful "hold my hand" direction on this.

I've had the forum open since about the start of the year but Google still has not crawled it.  I thought it might eventually do it on it's own.

Is there a place in the administration panel to put metatags?  

I'd like the forum and the posts themselves to be crawled - is this possible?

Right now, no one can find the forum that doesn't get a link from me or other forum members - which reduces the traffic and potential membership I could have.  

How can I get the forum on the search engines?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can add more meta tags to your overall_header.tpl
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank yopu.  I didn't know where to put it.

Would something like this be sufficient?

<META Name="Keywords" Content="hackmaster,roleplaying,pbp,play by post,history,devotions,india,israel,memoirs,world war,conspiracy,philosophy,toying with destruction,twd,abstract nova,eldritch,lejendary,gygax,diplomacy,last crusade,x-com,comics,hockey,politics">
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google has got extensive results on your forum, just go to the forum search and use the google search bit at the top to prove this.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see that I can use the tool to search the forums, but if I just search on Google - web, even putting in the title of the forum doesn't pull up hits to the forum itself - although there is a hit about the forum on another forum (rpgnet) which is a single indirect hit IF someone was looking for the title - not any subject matter.  I can't find any topics on the forum through Google yet.  I keep trying.

I've added the metatags mentions, filled out the control panel info, and even added the url to google (the first and last thing recently and the middle since the start).
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being ranked is different to being crawled, you need to get people to link to your site as suggested in every article on search engines there is.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No kidding, and using the google tool to search a site or forum is highly different than being available in a general search.  

There's being helpful and then just trying to make a fire where there isn't one.  

Getting web sites ranked is easy enough, so I was was looking how to apply that for forums.  Nick was helpful and I thank him for his direction.

Now to work on getting the best exposure through the tools at my disposal.  So setting aside your off-topic posts admin (no pm's please), do you have anything helpful to add to the thread?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, your forum seems to be a general chat site.. which will be VERY difficult to get highly ranked.

People look for specific things, and if you want to be the top for them all - then you are trying to do the impossible.  It is a challenge enough to get highly ranked for a single topic, but a general site is a whole different ballpark.

And if you just want your site listed by name... people would have to know the name to search for it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your response.

Zudane wrote:
Well, your forum seems to be a general chat site.. which will be VERY difficult to get highly ranked.

Yes, I knew being eclectic/general would create hardships in getting face-time and more.  It's what it is though and I want to do the best I can for the members enjoying it.

Zudane wrote:
People look for specific things, and if you want to be the top for them all - then you are trying to do the impossible.  It is a challenge enough to get highly ranked for a single topic, but a general site is a whole different ballpark.

Being the top, while awesome, isn't really in my sights.  Even if I search for very specific things only on the forum, it doesn't pop up.  I'm not seeking a miracle, just some direction on the best I can do with the tools available and let the pieces fall where they may.

Zudane wrote:
And if you just want your site listed by name... people would have to know the name to search for it.

That's just it, even if I search for the name it doesn't pop up anywhere.  I have a store on CafePress with the same name that pops right up.  CafePress does a great job getting things listed without any work by the user - and while they're free to use, I see the difference between the two enterprises.

I've put the meta tags listed above in - but is there anything else you could suggest to help the cause?  The forum itself has done better than I expected considering I had no core audience to start with - but trying to spread it simply word of mouth (well post) is slow and has come close to reaching it's limit.

As I've said, getting a general web site listed, and ranked highly is not really a difficult process - I just don't understand fully how to make a forum see similar face-time.  

Free mailing lists seem to get messages ranked easily....  I know it's something I'm either doing wrong here, or haven't completed yet.  

Even other forums I use that may be general or focused - they're very posts pop up in searches.  Watching the administration panel, I have never seen a google bot ever.  Sure, the google ads are there, but that's it.  What am I missing, or doing wrong in the forum setup?

Any thoughts on what I can do to improve face-time on the Internet?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see a title tag on your forum which may help.  For example mine is:

<title>A World Of Cats - Online Community For Cat Lovers</title>

I did go through the steps of creating a Google account and including their tag for proper verification.  I really don't know if this makes a difference or not.

Also Stat Counter which is free is a great tool to track traffic, eg: new visitors, locations, etc.  I elected to keep mine invisible.  Here is the link:  http://www.statcounter.com/

I hope this helps and good luck!  I am rather new at this myself.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A fixed title tag is probably a bad thing.

using:

<title>{PAGE_TITLE}</title>

in overall_header.tpl is better.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Admin!  I will change it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't even bother with keyword metatags (unless you have your own internal site search engine from say CoffeeCup) as Google et al haven't referenced them for years.  They give no weighting to keywords now whatsoever, but concentrate on quality content.

To see which pages Google has cached simply type into the Google search box: site:abcdef.myfunforum.org

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mccifa wrote:
I wouldn't even bother with keyword metatags (unless you have your own internal site search engine from say CoffeeCup) as Google et al haven't referenced them for years.  They give no weighting to keywords now whatsoever, but concentrate on quality content.

To see which pages Google has cached simply type into the Google search box: site:abcdef.myfunforum.org

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That was very enlightening, thank you for pointing that out.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:25 pm    Post subject: How to get Google to crawl the forum? Reply with quote

webmaster tools is all you need. Google takes a long time to  visit Forum.

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