I have tried to complain before

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[pixie]

http://carers.myfastforum.org/index.php

The above forum has been set up purely to ridicule and make fun of carers.
It has not be set up to build a commumity but to build hatred for carers.

Carers may be caring for a dying relative a child or a husband, wife etc.
Carers do not need this sort of harrassment on top of their caring roles.
I know that I don't and I see no need for such a forum to continue.

It is a form of hate site as well as discrimmination against a particular part of the community.
A part that does a very valuable job of caring for a loved one for a pittence of just over £50 per week.

They copy and paste from other forums.
They target several carers including myself but use slightly different names. Myself and the other carers "picked on" know our OKCarers names.
They have explained one of the names and how it came about and stated the
name of the carer too.
They also use another carers surname so it is obvious who it is.
They continually accuse another carer of theift and make comments about his
carees health and general difficulties that she has.
They make personal comments about how we look and post pictures of
nasty faces and call them by our names.
The list is endless.

I have posted many links here which cover some of the things but not all.
I have tried to make a complaint before but I was told that I had to do it publically here.
I find this really hard to do as I feel extremely vulnerable after what some of the other carers have been through due to this group of carer haters.

Well I have made my complaint now so I will expect some not so nice things to happen to me too.

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Re_News_Of_The_Day_about659.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Talking_Dirty_about671.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Ignorance_is_bliss_about672.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Naming_Names_about677.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Fas...y_of_show_business__about665.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Rit...pal_Ate_My_Receipts_about679.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Conspiracy_theorists_about684.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Evi..._to_a_good_argument_about685.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Joe_C_about660.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Yes_we_did_it__about691.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Don...y_hat_site_official_about697.html

http://carers.myfastforum.org/Sandy_Liar_about698.html
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This all falls on totally death ears. We have been subject to continual harassment by Clive, vindicating the motives of those that ridicule him  and his associates.

I have lost track of the number of threats we have received from Clive and our response now is to ignore complaints. His has threatened us with his so called lawyers many times, and guess what it never happens.
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[pixie]

So I took my life in my hands here to make a complaint and you are telling me that it is going to be ignored.
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Let me be plain, by associating with someone I know from our own experience to be guilty of bullying and general harassment, your own credibility is reduced to zero. I have absolutely no reason to believe you at all.

The site in question has threads that are generally jokey, intended to reduce a bully to a laughing stock. I have no evidence of anything else and see making a bully look a fool no bad thing at all.
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[pixie]

You have just accussed me of lying!!

You have also accussed me of being a bully as I am also laughed at on that forum

I'm sure the other lady will also be interested to hear she is a bully too in your eyes.

So even with all the links I sent you there is no evidence to suggest a hate site against carers?

I used to run a genuine carers forum here which won a prize in your competition.

My forum was doing very well for my first venture. I was so proud to be associated with this company and running my forum here.

I had well over 100 members and it was run correctly according to your TOS.

I found I was being made a mockery of by this other forum despite wanting to help carers like myself and you won't even listen to my complaint.

I have closed my forum down now as I don't feel I can be associated with this company any more. You have no heart and obviosuly don't care about others feelings.
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I base things on the facts before me.

On the one hand a clear record of bullying and harassment, on the other hand some mockery of the person responsible and his supporters.

Maybe that is guilt by association, and maybe a mocking site is not a good site, but all I can go on is what I know to be true.

I note that you do not comment on my statement that Clive is a harassing bully! I know that as a fact, and I don't like bullies or people who support them.
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[pixie]

Ok fair enough you have obviously made your mind up regardless of my complaint.

You would rather lose a prize winning forum and keep a forum that mocks others.

I mean carers in general.

You claim to have proof of bullying but don't provide it. That is contrary to what you have asked from me.

Anyone who complains has to show proof but you can just state you have proof without showing it to be true.

I know you own this so therefore you can do as you wish. Obviously it means it is one rule for you and one for us.

I was hoping for a fair hearing and a thorough investigation of my complaint. I would expect that from any good company concerned for good customer relations, but alas this company seems to lack that.

I am sorry I bothered you with my valid complaint of hatered against a part of the community that provides care for sick and dying relatives.

I will know in future and be wary of company's such as this that have no "real" customer service.
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Why in the world would I have any prior bias in these matters?

I can't recall just what the first complaint Clive made was, but it transpired very quickly that whilst complaining about others, his own methods were those of trying to bully and intimidate us, a pattern that has recurred in dozens of emails from him over more than a year. At the time of the original complaint I did a web search and found that this pattern was well established.

It is clear to anyone looking that Clive is a bully and a menace to anyone trying to help carers organize.

I have on the other hand had reasonable exchanges with the admin of the mockery site.

So from my point of view I see a bully and his supporters objecting to being mocked.
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[pixie]

My point is that you are not listening to my complaint.

I am not Clive and I am not a bully or a liar. You seem to insist on accusing me of being both.

I have run a successful carers forum and I also work with around 100 charities throughout
the UK and a couple overseas to fundraise. I have 3 disabled children and I suffer disabilities myself due to 30 years of being a carer.

All I do know about the owner of the "hate site" is that he makes fun of and ridicules carers. And not just on his own forum either.
He was a member on my forum too but I removed him as a couple of my members had already suffered his mockery on other carer forums and I didn't want that happening on mine as well.

I'm sorry you don't feel that you can listen and take on board my complaint as it is a valid complaint.

No worries, like I say I know now that I did the right thing closing down my forum and I most certainly will not recommend this company to others.

Thank you for your time.
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The threads you have posted are at least primarily about Clive, a legitimate target for mockery.

If your complaint did not place you as an associate of Clive then it might have carried more weight.

Frankly I have told the admin of the mockery site that I think it is passed its sell by date and they should close it down. Given a legitimate sounding complaint I would take action and close it down. All you have provided is something that just comes across as another Clive ploy.

Adding emotional blackmail to the mix cuts no ice with me.
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[pixie]

I'm sorry you took my details about me in the wrong way.

I was mearly giving you some background to show that I am not Clive and to show that I do have some credibility. And was not in any way intended as emotional blackmail. I'm not that type of person but it is always helpful to have some background as well.

I have seen with my own eyes in various places around the internet the damage to ordinary carers that this "hate Site" has caused. It has split the carer community and driven a wedge between ordinary carers. So much so that a protest to the government has a distinct lack of support from many carers as people are too fearful to become involved in case they become a target on the "hate site".

Obviously we have no idea what is on the closed parts of the forum and can only assume it is worse than what is in the public domain.

If the forum were to close the carer community would not be in fear of ridicule any more and the protests to gain a better standard of living for carers everywhere would be worth being involved with.

Let the owner of the "hate site" and Clive slog it out between them instead of impacting on other carers fearful of hate.

I hope you will feel that my complaint is legitimate sounding enough to close the forum down.
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To be a legitimate complaint there would need to be evidence of this site attacking people other than Clive and the people who have tarred themselves with the same brush by supporting him. Note that there is also a line between mockery and hate, this line is a tricky one and I will be the first to say that this site is in a grey area.

The very fact that you post links that were about Clive and seemingly do not recognize what an abusive bully he is, can only undermine your case.

Give us evidence that is not tainted and we may well act.
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[pixie]

I guess I have no choice but to give up then as most of the posts about others were removed some time ago, just before Christmas.

Some of the forum is hidden so the posts maybe on there but obviously I have no idea as I cannot access that area.

You really do expect a great deal from complainents, especially when you already have misgivings about the forum and it's purpose and claim the forum is within a grey area for hate/mockery.

The links I posted also included myself another lady and another man.

But you claim that we don't count, implying that it's OK to mock and push hatred at us.

We are still human beings who have feelings and who try to help carers as much as we can.

Myself and the other lady mentioned run very successful carers forums that support and help other carers as much as possible.

I am happy to give you a link to mine if you want to see for yourself that I am just an ordinary person living a different sort of life due to my caring role.

Anyway I have enjoyed our little chat regardless of being called a liar and a bully but I am now running out of energy so I will leave it there and hope that one day the forum will close down.

Here's my forum by the way just in case you want to see who I am am :

http://www.carersforum.co.uk/forum/index.php


Thanks you for your time and attention admin.
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I have not called you anything.

I have said perhaps harshly that by posting links about Clive (a known bully) that your credibility is zero.

In response you have been somewhat abusive to us, but that is no big deal.

What you have not done, is to either present any actionable material or to seperate yourself from Clive. You continue to seem to me to be aligned to a known bully, and for me that is the defining fact in what has been posted here.
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[pixie]

I'm sorry but I thought this was closed now as I have said I give up.

You are still asking me for proof but are still not providing any yourself.

Why do you have to keep mentioning Clive, because I am not Clive.

My complaint about the "hate site" is my complaint.

I have already closed my forum down

as I was too afraid to complain here publically for fear of even more ridicule aimed at me.

It is upsetting to see and to know that others view it.

You have actually implied that I am a liar and a bully. It is all here in print for all to see!!

So you can see that my fear of complaining publically has been realised in this thread.

The links I have posted also include myself and several other carers.

The forum was not set up to create a community it was set up to ridicule and mock carers.

There is nothing more I can say because although you admit yourself that the forum operates within a grey area and that you have informed the site owner that in your opinion the forum has run it's course, you still insist on treating me as if I'm a trouble maker.

I am making a legitimate complaint and I expect a fair hearing and action to remedy my complaint.

I am a carer who is also disabled and have enough to do with my time than cause trouble for others. (that was stated to reinforce my status and not for sympathy).

I would like you to show me where I have been abusive to you as that is not in my nature and I cannot see anywhere in this thread that that has been the case.

I have stated my case and as my case is being rejected and I'm being accused of being abusive as well as a bully and a liar.

All of this for making a legitimate complaint.

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