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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:54 pm    Post subject: Banning guests on a public forum Reply with quote

Hello, I wasn't sure where to post this. I saw similar subjects, but none addressing my specific question; I apologize if I overlooked it.

My question is whether it is within the terms and conditions and a legitmate action for a public forum, that is, it is available by search engines and viewable without joining, to begin banning 'guests' by IP address who have not joined or posted, or if that is an abuse of an Internet Service Provider? It does seem odd to me that a forum would choose to be 'public', but then selectively ban 'guests' who have done nothing but view their forum. I hope my question is clear and I look forward to your response. Thank you very much.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a little wierd. Though google you cannot ban (believe me I've tried). Though I don't see why they would want to make it public if they just go banning IP addresses. Do you have a link to this site? Also is it a MFF forum?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chances are someone has banned by IP and ended up banning a complete proxy server or dynamic IP and hence some guests see themselves as banned even though they have done nothing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your reply, the_punisher_kid, I agree with you, it seems self-defeating to have a publicly searchable and viewable forum if you are going to 'ban' guests, and yes, it is a myfreeforum board. What I am trying to determine is whether this is against the rules or possibly an abuse of Internet Service Providers, since I would imagine (however I don't know for sure) that when an IP is banned, the ISP is notified. I am not certain of that last point, I am really trying to find out if this is a legitimate, allowed action by My Free Forums, for one of their boards to do this.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you admin, is it within the terms and conditions to ban a specific guest's IP when they have done nothing and it is a public, searchable, viewable forum? I apologize, I didn't see the note above about posting a link, the forum is http://penny.myfreeforum.org

Also, the_punisher_kid, I did not understand your comment about not being able to ban google, could you explain what you meant? I am sorry that I didn't follow you there.

Thank you very much, I look forward to clarification by both of you and appreciate your prompt responses.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

daddyo7 wrote:
Thank you admin, is it within the terms and conditions to ban a specific guest's IP when they have done nothing and it is a public, searchable, viewable forum? I apologize, I didn't see the note above about posting a link, the forum is http://penny.myfreeforum.org

Also, the_punisher_kid, I did not understand your comment about not being able to ban google, could you explain what you meant? I am sorry that I didn't follow you there.

Thank you very much, I look forward to clarification by both of you and appreciate your prompt responses.


It may be stupid and the chances are it is accidental, but a forum owner is free to let who they want view their forum or not as the case may be.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard of this before when people have banned subdomain IP's and even cases of people banning themselves!
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I have considered removing the ability to ban by ip entirely, it is more often than not misused But to remove the ability would be overstepping the mark in terms of "nannying" forum admins. We have loads and load of people who do know enough to use this facility wisely and we should not reduce their ability to secure their forums.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the punisher kid meant he baned google's advert ip at one time. Also seems though you cant ban by IP on some ISPs aol especially. as each page i visit my IP cahnges by 1 number or all the numbers.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Codyt07 wrote:
I think the punisher kid meant he baned google's advert ip at one time. Also seems though you cant ban by IP on some ISPs aol especially. as each page i visit my IP cahnges by 1 number or all the numbers.



No I couldn't at all ban it... it says because its a bot or something along those lines. Advert targeting. You can't do it period is what I'm saying.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We protect google bot ips against banning. This is for obvious reasons.



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